Turning Into A Full Vampire?

[DJ_draken07]

Just wondering if a ECL 12 character had a offering to turn into a Full vampire from Monster Manual I pg. 252, It will jump the ECL up to 20.

When the next time the character level up, Turning into ECL 21. Will he turned into Epic?

I was just wondering

 

[irdeggman]

Just wondering if a ECL 12 character had a offering to turn into a Full vampire from Monster Manual I pg. 252, It will jump the ECL up to 20.

When the next time the character level up, Turning into ECL 21. Will he turned into Epic?

I was just wondering

No, well not exactly.

The character advances as if he had the xp of a 20th level character but all character benefits (max skill ranks, bonus feats, ability score increases, etc) except for base wealth and xp use only hit dice. So any LA does not count for those purposes (i.e., qualifying for epic feats, etc.)

 

[DJ_draken07]

Oh I understand. So He has to hit 21 levels to become epic?

 

[irdeggman]

Oh I understand. So He has to hit 21 levels to become epic?

In order to gain any "benefits", yes.

And if he has monster HD he can be epic but not be epic in a specific class like say he has 4 racial HD and is a 17th level fighter. He counts as an epic character due to hit dice, but he doe not count as an epic level fighter and thus doesn't get any epic fighter benefits (nor can he choose anything that requires him to be epic level fighter).

 

[DJ_draken07]

Awesome. Now that just wondering. How in the heck I can make a campaign "even" If The ECL 12 character turns into a ECL 20 character?

 

[moritheil]

Awesome. Now that just wondering. How in the heck I can make a campaign "even" If The ECL 12 character turns into a ECL 20 character?

You don't. The character becomes a controlled undead subservient to his dark master. The player gets to make a new character.

. . . at least, that's how it usually gets handled. With the Libris Mortis vampire class, you can make a gradual transformation level-by-level.

 

[DJ_draken07]

You don't. The character becomes a controlled undead subservient to his dark master. The player gets to make a new character.

. . . at least, that's how it usually gets handled. With the Libris Mortis vampire class, you can make a gradual transformation level-by-level.

Haha thats so evil! lol

Thanks alot for the help

I prob have alot more questions, Later on in the future

 

[pawsplay]

Some passages in the DMG imply you would also gain access to epic feats at ECL 21, but you only gain feats at the usual rate. Apart from that, it's just XP.

If you are in an ECL 12 party, and you suddenly become ECL 20, you are unlikely to get enough XP to level anyway.

 

[irdeggman]

If you are in an ECL 12 party, and you suddenly become ECL 20, you are unlikely to get enough XP to level anyway.

And every "even" challenge will be a difficult one (+2 above the EL of the party) for the rest of the party.

That is why I suggest going with the class level concept (see Libris Mortis or the Savage Progression articles on the WotC site).

 

[Starbuck_II]

Some passages in the DMG imply you would also gain access to epic feats at ECL 21, but you only gain feats at the usual rate. Apart from that, it's just XP.

If you are in an ECL 12 party, and you suddenly become ECL 20, you are unlikely to get enough XP to level anyway.

It could happen. I mean, if you find a way aroumd the sunlight issue: your special abilities make you really good (Con loss sucks though).

Sadly, unless you are a spellcaster you won't gain much hps compared to lost con on average (1d4 to 1d12 is up by 4/level). But you'd likely have 20 con easy by level 20 (which is 5/level).

And who cares if PC B doesn't gain exp; some people play for the fun of it/ awesome powers.