Broken things errata'ed, July 2009

[Bayuer]

Do I read it right? Invigorating powers temp HP stack with vigor temp?

 

[Garthanos]

over focusing on a single attribute or even the classic pair ought to have some repercussions... shrug.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

over focusing on a single attribute or even the classic pair ought to have some repercussions... shrug.

Having bad defenses is unacceptable, esepecially when you can mitigate it. Shields and masterwork armor are some of the basic tools in mitigating bad NADs.

 

[AngryMojo]

Having bad defenses is unacceptable, esepecially when you can mitigate it. Shields and masterwork armor are some of the basic tools in mitigating bad NADs.

This is one of the big problems with BRV, even from the start. Not to mention a fighter's reliance on Wisdom.

I like the change because it builds BRV fighters as more a "building momentum" class than "I don't get hurt" class.

 

[Stalker0]

Yeah, but your AC is still pretty bad and the vast majority of melee attacks are versus AC.

Your AC is one less than the guy in scale, and you have the big temp HP to offset the damage.

 

[amysrevenge]

Your AC is one less than the guy in scale, and you have the big temp HP to offset the damage.

One less now, but if you pick masterwork armor for the Will bonus and the scale guy goes for AC bonus the difference will increase over time.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Your AC is one less than the guy in scale, and you have the big temp HP to offset the damage.

Exactly. A Battlerager needs the boost to Will and Reflex far more than the AC.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

One less now, but if you pick masterwork armor for the Will bonus and the scale guy goes for AC bonus the difference will increase over time.

Scale is +1 AC better at +4 and +6 enchantment levels if you forgo the +2 Fortitude with Scale, which is a valid choice.

People tend to overestimate the need to buff AC. You don't want to be so tough that they ignore your mark and attack your friends. Having an AC 1-2 points higher than the rest of the party is plenty.

 

[Nahat Anoj]

The new BRV fighter actually gives an incentive to the enemy to hit him so as to drain the hit points and decrease his damage. He now acts as a defender.

Nicely put.

 

[Ruler of Them All]

Nothing in the pages you referenced supports your claim that damage is rolled before the temp hit points are gained.

Are you sure? Lets read...

All attacks follow the same basic process: (so any attack follow this sequence)

1. Choose the attack you’ll use. Each attack has an
attack type. (ok, you chose your at will with invigorating, you want those THP at all costs)

2. Choose targets for the attack (page 272). Each target
must be within range (page 273). Check whether
you can see and target your enemies (page 273). (ok, that bad kobold near you needs a beating, you target him and he is in range)

3. Make an attack roll (page 273). (ok, you get that lucky D20 of yours and roll a 19!)

4. Compare your attack roll to the target’s defense
(page 274) to determine whether you hit or miss. (Yes!!! Sucess, your attack roll alone is higher then your target defense, you HIT! CONGRATULATIONS!!!)

5. Deal damage and apply other effects (page 276). (Now you deal your damage, THEN you APPLY OTHER EFFECTS, like the +2 to damage rolls for having THP.)

Sorry there Battarager power dosent insert a step called 4.5 that gives you the ability to apply the effects on the order you want it to... But hey, on your action point you have the effect on you before the damage roll! Or maybe if a friendly warlord makes you attack again...