Why the beer hate? (Forked Thread: What are the no-goes...)

[Wicht]

I think if you are gaming with: 1) adults, and 2) close friends, it should not be an issue. I suspect for those who do have an issue with drinking, they are gaming with people who are not both adults and close friends.

Or maybe... non-drinkers have close friends who are also adults and also non-drinkers. There is always that possibility too.

 

[Obryn]

That there are also people who are s when they're absolutely sober does not mean alcohol does not have an effect upon a person's behavior. If you think it doesn't, then I am going to say the same thing I said already to other people, go educate yourself.

I don't think anyone's saying that heavy drinking won't have an affect on people.

What I see - and what I think others might be saying - is that it seems silly to plan your participation in social events based mainly on imaginary (or historical) worst-case scenarios. Just because some people can be bad drunks, does not mean that your friends will become a bad drunk after 1-2 beers.

-O

 

[Chainsaw]

Curious.. what does everyone using the word "drinking" actually mean? For me and my group, it equates to having 3-4 beers, 1-2 mix drinks or 2-3 glasses of wine (max) over the course of a 5-6 hour session. Very, very rarely has anyone gotten "drunk" - where they couldn't read the dice, speak clearly, walk, drive, etc.

There's basically an unspoken rule in our group that regular drunkeness is really not wanted.

 

[Wicht]

Curious.. what does everyone using the word "drinking" actually mean?

Speaking for myself, as a non-drinker, 'drinking' is the consumption of alcohol. Any amount.

 

[Jeff Wilder]

Speaking for myself, as a non-drinker, 'drinking' is the consumption of alcohol. Any amount.

That's been my assumption of what people meant.

In practice, on the rare occasions that I drink during a game, it's typically two or three bourbon shots, each chased by a wheat ale. (I'm a very big guy. This barely even buzzes me.)

 

[Bumbles]

I fully respect people who does not want you to smoke in your house/appartment. But are there seriously people who would forbid other people from stepping outside and taking a smoke?

So, you'd expect us to deal with you wanting to take a break? No thanks! Even if it's a normal break (some groups do that, some don't), if it's my property, I've had enough trouble with smokers leaving their litter behind that I'm simply not going to deal with it any more. I do not want to clean up your butts. I do not want to put out the fire you started by dropping your lit butt into my can of leaves. I do not want to replace the cushions in the bench because you let the hot end of your cigarette touch it. I don't even want to make you pay to replace them. I do not want to smell the stink you left behind. I do not want to have problems breathing because that cloud of smoke blew in my face.

It'd be one thing if I didn't have these problems. But I do. Solution? No smoking on my property. If the group is having a break, and you have time to go to the store, and want to smoke while you're on the road, fair enough, but if that cloud still lingers around you, don't be surprised if it becomes a problem.

And if you don't think I have actually had those problems, well, then that's your perspective, I doubt I can convince you of it. I know a lot of smokers can't even realize how badly they stink, or make others stink, till they stop doing it. I have had people quit smoking, then go into someone's house who hadn't quit, and tell me that I was right, it does smell.

So it won't bother me if you don't believe it causes problems.

I could not respect that. Why on earth would you even assume it became an argument? Seems fatalist and a little bit silly.

Because it's been an argument before. Humans learn from experience, and some of us think it's silly to beat our heads into a wall. This own thread should tell you, people do sometimes want to drink or smoke and can't be convinced to understand why other people have problems with it.

 

[Chainsaw]

Speaking for myself, as a non-drinker, 'drinking' is the consumption of alcohol. Any amount.

So, based on your previous post, if you were at someone's house and one guy drinks one Michelob Ultra, you'd reconsider whether to game with them anymore?

 

[Wicht]

So, based on your previous post, if you were at someone's house and one guy drinks one Michelob Ultra, you'd reconsider whether to game with them anymore?

Yep. Absolutely would reconsider. Drinking socially is a complete nonstarter for me. I would personally rather you smoke (and smokers, as noted, dry my eyes something horrible).

 

[Chainsaw]

On the flip side of Wicht's gaming requirements, when I was looking for a new group, I specifically made sure that I *could* drink. I wasn't interested in games where it wouldn't be possible for me (or my wife) to have a beer or a glass of wine. So I suppose I've got just as strict a set of requirements, just on the other side of the fence.

 

[Mistwell]

Or maybe... non-drinkers have close friends who are also adults and also non-drinkers. There is always that possibility too.

I said it would be a non-issue, not that people would drink. If you were gaming with non-drinkers who are also close-friends, drinking would be a non-issue right?

It seems to be a common thread with those who have objections that they are playing with people who are not close friends. I also suspect (but do not know) that some folks are a bit younger, and in general younger folks are less likely to know and/or respect their limits, or at least are less prone to be able to hold their liquor. So that is why I mentioned those two factors: age, and close relationship.