multi class Divine Sanction?

[N8Ball]

Except for the fact it's not actually a condition, the above is correct.

Well, I did say it was like a condition, but your points about location are well taken.

The description could have been more clear if it didn't say "subject a target to your divine sanction..." as though it was something we already had access to. (but we already agree that access was granted by the power)

If you simply remove that possessive term, I think the text would leave much less room for confusion.

 

[ki11erDM]

Good. It is not just me. At this point, unless WotC says other wise, I think by rule my fighter can use that power and get the effect.

Which rocks.

 

[ppaladin123]

As it stands divine sanction is not subject to the "nerfing" that divine challenge received under the hybrid rules. If you go hybrid paladin, you should probably pick up Ardent Strike for that reason.

 

[Eldorian]

It's unclear if Divine Sanction is a class ability which some powers allow you to use, or if Divine Sanction is an effect of some powers which is simply described elsewhere.

They should clear that up.

Cheers, -- N

If it was a class ability, it would be in the PH. If it was a build ability, it would be mentioned as such. It is not. It is entirely a function of powers, so mulitclassing to gain a paladin power that subjects targets to divine sanction.

 

[Mort_Q]

If it was a class ability, it would be in the PH.

Does not follow.

Not that I'm not reasonably convinced that a PC multiclassed into Paladin can gain the benefit of Divine Sanction and all...

... but there are class features in the ______ Powers books.

 

[DracoSuave]

The thing is the game term isn't 'divine sanction' but 'subject to your divine sanction'. In this case, 'your' is part of the game term. The text on what sanction is tells you -exactly- what it means.

General Rule.

There is no rule stating this is only for paladins, or restricting it in any way.

In the absense of a specific rule, go with the general rule, which is to replace 'Subject to your divine sanction' with what it tells you that means. (marked until duration noted, 3tier+Cha damage, can be removed by another mark)

 

[N8Ball]

The thing is the game term isn't 'divine sanction' but 'subject to your divine sanction'. In this case, 'your' is part of the game term. The text on what sanction is tells you -exactly- what it means.

The game term IS "Divine Sanction", that's why they have a section titled "Divine Sanction"
(and not "Your Divine Sanction")

As an example, since the Marked condition references the creature who applied the mark, it's appropriate to use the phrase, "your mark", so too does Divine Sanction correctly reference the one who applies the effect (and mark) so it simply follows that the effect may also use the possesive.

To reference a prescedent already set, look at the references to Divine Challenge in the powers section of the PHB. The Champion of the Order PP uses "your divine challenge" twice but nobody considers the game term to be "your divine challenge".

My objection to the text was only the use of that possesive in the very first sentence of the description, *perhaps* implying that the character already had it. (thus the OPs question).

The whole paragraph reads just fine (and I think better) without that first "your".

 

[DracoSuave]

Many new paladin powers and some of the new feats in this book subject a target to your divine sanction. Being subject to it means...

...subject to your divine sanction...

...subject to your divine sanction...

...subject to your divine sanction...

...subject to your divine sanction...

The term is used consistantly, and is defined explicitly in the Divine Sanction section as 'Subject .... to your divine sanction.'

Besides, if the word 'your' is confusing, what pronoun should they use there? Seriously?

 

[Klaus]

IMHO the divine sanction is granted by the power. Take the power, you get the effect.

It's just like you don't have to be a Ruthless Ruffian to use Rattling powers, or a Battlerager to use Invigorating powers.

 

[N8Ball]

The term is used consistantly, and is defined explicitly in the Divine Sanction section as 'Subject .... to your divine sanction.'

Besides, if the word 'your' is confusing, what pronoun should they use there? Seriously?

I'm not objecting to the use of "your" in any place except the first sentence of the Divine Sanction description. In that case I just think the paragraph reads more clearly without it.

However, I don't think "your" is part of the game term; "your" just happens to be the most appropriate possessive in the power descriptions. The game term is "divine sanction".

When you apply it, it's your divine sanction, when the baddy pally applies it it's HIS divine sanction, when you're ally applies it it's HER divine sanction. When some evil eunuch applies it it's IT'S divine sanction. When I apply it it's MY divine sanction.

Furthermore, the very fact that we can have a general conversation about divine sanction without any possessive term in front of it at all means that the game term is, in fact, simply "divine sanction".

In the immortal words of the Gump, "that's all I have to say about that."