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[Maggan]

Interesting. Aside from Dragonsfoot which has no 3e or 4e forums (though it does support some OGL games like C&C), what D&D sites are you describing? Do you have some links? As someone who plays all editions and does visit a lot of D&D sites, I'm surprised to not have heard of this modding practice you describe.

I was thinking primarily of Dragonsfoot, but I also lumped in Knights and Knaves with them, which might be a capital offense to some.

I'll revise my statement, to appease your thirst for accuracy ... thus ...

A D&D site called Dragonsfoot instituted a topic ban on 3e, and mentioning it by name is a moddable offense. Also, Knights and Knaves has a topic ban on any d20 game, which would include D&D3e.

Dragonsfoot • View topic - A D20 policy clarification

KNIGHTS & KNAVES ALEHOUSE • View topic - Welcome & Rules - READ THIS FIRST (Updated Feb 18, 2007)

Anything else I can help you with?

EDIT: Note that I don't challenge their policies. They have every right in the world to decide how their forums run, and the rules serve their members, which is the most important thing.

/M

 

[w_earle_wheeler]

Well, this is better than having most of the information about upcoming products locked away behind a paid subscription plan!

Seriously, since WotC started Insider, I've heard very little about upcoming product releases, almost to the point that I forgot they were coming out.

I'm excited about the board game, actually. 4e's board-game compatible style isn't a complete negative to me.

 

[Mark]

I was thinking primarily of Dragonsfoot, but I also lumped in Knights and Knaves with them, which might be a capital offense to some.

I'll revise my statement, to appease your thirst for accuracy ... thus ...

Not my thirst for accuracy, just an interest in such a claim and wondering if you were posting from actual knowledge or just bolstering your point. Looks like the K&K policy isn't particularly a "topic ban on 3E" as you claim but rather a call to limit discussion to a handful of games and avoid the vast field of others inculding any d20 or more recent games from any company at all (WotC, WW, GW, etc.). I'm rereading your first post and wondering why you chose this line to take a swipe in defense of 4e and against 3e when clearly 4e would be no more welcome at those sites than 3e. Clearly, the people at those sites have not "moved on to 4E" as you mention.

 

[Scribble]

Clearly, the people at those sites have not "moved on to 4E" as you mention.

I think he means their griping has moved on. IE now instead of griping about 3e they gripe about 4e.

GRIPES!

 

[ExploderWizard]

Neither?

No one has claimed D&D is "the same" as a board game. They've said that "in some ways, it plays out like a board game."

"The game remains the same" was not in reference to board games. It was a selling point of 4E camparing it to earlier editions. My point was that either that is a crock of crap (in which case D&D does not play like a boardgame) or the current D&D game does indeed play like a board game,in which case "the game remains the same" was untrue.

 

[Scribble]

"The game remains the same" was not in reference to board games. It was a selling point of 4E camparing it to earlier editions. My point was that either that is a crock of crap (in which case D&D does not play like a boardgame) or the current D&D game does indeed play like a board game,in which case "the game remains the same" was untrue.

Or the either or doesn't apply, as many have found that the game has ALWAYS played out like a board game in many ways (at least when explaining it to non D&D folk.)

 

[ExploderWizard]

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[Scribble]

For some this is probably true. As presented by the game itself, not so much.

Ok.

I think this conversation has reached it's "we're just going to go in circles here" point.

Believe whatever you want man.

 

[MrMyth]

For some this is probably true. As presented by the game itself, not so much.

So when people first played D&D, you honestly don't believe that they sat around a table, and took turns playing the game according to a collection of rules?

Because guess what - that is playing like a board game. It was true then, it remains true now. Is D&D like a board game in every possible way? Of course not. But there are similarities, and specifically ones that are easy to explain to an outside audience.

 

[nedjer]

So when people first played D&D, you honestly don't believe that they sat around a table, and took turns playing the game according to a collection of rules?

Because guess what - that is playing like a board game. It was true then, it remains true now. Is D&D like a board game in every possible way? Of course not. But there are similarities, and specifically ones that are easy to explain to an outside audience.

Components are common to many types of game: table/ pitch or figure/ token. The distinction between a boardgame and a tabletop RPG is surely qualitative and more to do with how brains interact than pieces of card or the number of sides on the dice?