stunned freedom of movement

[ForeverSlayer]

I'm curious. What's the difference between Buffy's definition of Stunned and Paralysis?

Both are from the 3.5 PHB.

 

[Dandu]

Now a mental action cannot be substituted for a move action nor can it be for a standard action except to cast spells.

You can use a standard action to perform mental tasks. It's how Krag the Barbarian does addition.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Nobody is talking about magic items here. Stunned is a condition because it will not allow you to move, just like the paralyzed condition, nor will it allow you to act. Now a mental action cannot be substituted for a move action nor can it be for a standard action except to cast spells.

Now, since Freedom of Movement protects you from movement impaired effects, including magical effects, then it should allow you to move no matter if you are stunned or paralyzed.

Stunned does not prevent you from moving, it prevents actions. You can still 5 ft step. You can still make attacks of opportunity. Both are not actions.

Since stunned does not restrict you from moving, just from taking actions, freedom of movement does not apply.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

You can use a standard action to perform mental tasks. It's how Krag the Barbarian does addition.

It takes a standard action to do an opposed grapple check in order to get out of a grapple if the creature succeeds at everything. You can't use the standard action of a mental action to escape from a grapple.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Stunned does not prevent you from moving, it prevents actions. You can still 5 ft step. You can still make attacks of opportunity. Both are not actions.

Since stunned does not restrict you from moving, just from taking actions, freedom of movement does not apply.

From the 3.5 PHB:

stunned: A stunned creature drops everything held, can’t take
actions, takes a –2 penalty to AC, and loses his
Dexterity bonus to AC (if any).

Emphasis mine.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

What part of 5 ft steps and AoOs are not actions do you not understand?

 

[Dandu]

Actually, I believe 5 ft steps are free actions or move actions depending on how you use them.

Not sure about AoO though.

 

[Greenfield]

Nobody is talking about magic items here. Stunned is a condition because it will not allow you to move, just like the paralyzed condition, nor will it allow you to act. Now a mental action cannot be substituted for a move action nor can it be for a standard action except to cast spells.

Now, since Freedom of Movement protects you from movement impaired effects, including magical effects, then it should allow you to move no matter if you are stunned or paralyzed.

Absolutely correct. You can move just as soon as you have a Move action available. Which will happen right after you cease to be Stunned, and not before.

Okay, sarcasm aside, Stunned isn't like Paralyzed. It never says you aren't allowed to move, it says you aren't allowed to take actions. You can take a 5 foot step on your turn, but nothing that counts as an action, mental or otherwise. No Move, no Immediate, no Swift, no Free, no Standard. Any noun that's followed by the word "action" is prevented.

Movement isn't impeded, Actions are. And FOM doesn't protect your ability to take actions. You can be slept, knocked unconscious or killed, and FOM won't help you at all.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Actually, I believe 5 ft steps are free actions or move actions depending on how you use them.

Not sure about AoO though.

Nope, it is never called a free action. Actions In Combat :: d20srd.org

"You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round when you move any distance.

You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.

You can only take a 5-foot step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.

You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed."

The game designers were actually pretty meticulous about naming things actions and not naming them as actions. I think it was fully intentional that neither AoOs nor 5 ft steps were refered to as free actions.

 

[Dandu]

I was talking with Lycanthromancer just now about this, and he is of the opinion that

1. It shuts down standard, move, etc actions. Stunning is a mental effect that prevents your mind from ordering your body to do things, sort of like a mental Blue Screen of Death.
2. While you drop things that you hold, you do not fall to the ground. You can still balance yourself enough to remain standing. Thus, you can still move to some minor degree.
3. FoM does not allow you to walk around when stunned. There's nothing physically stopping your body from walking, but your brain just can't order it to. This is in contrast to paralyzed, when your muscles lock up.