D&D 5E cancelled 5e announcement at Gencon??? Anyone know anything about this?

[thecasualoblivion]

There is absolutely no way that Noonan and Wyatt didn't know what Bytopia was. Wyatt is credited as a designer in the 3E Manual of the Planes, and Noonan was its designer and editor.

There are several terms in the English language for that type of behavior, but I don't want to offend Eric's grandma.

They were ripping on the Great Wheel, simple as that. I know the thing had its fans, but it was one of the lamest things about D&D and 4E gave it a well deserved mercy-killing.

 

[Sammael]

They were ripping on the Great Wheel, simple as that. I know the thing had its fans, but it was one of the lamest things about D&D and 4E gave it a well deserved mercy-killing.

Please do not attempt to pass your personal opinion as a universal truth. And yes, I am well aware of what they were doing.

Incidentally, from internal sources @WotC, Planescape is considered to be the second greatest asset for D&D after Forgotten Realms when it comes to campaign settings.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Please do not attempt to pass your personal opinion as a universal truth. And yes, I am well aware of what they were doing.

Incidentally, from internal sources @WotC, Planescape is considered to be the second greatest asset for D&D after Forgotten Realms when it comes to campaign settings.

It had a vocal and committed minority of fans while everyone else either didn't care or thought it was a load of garbage. Not unlike Forgotten Realms to be honest. It certainly wasn't serving the game at large for the base cosmology to come from Planescape. The core cosmology was one of 4E's big improvements, at least to the majority of us who aren't Planescape fanboys.

 

[Dice4Hire]

I think forum crucifixion is a bit harsh of a punishment to hand out for forgetting a word.

 

[Mournblade94]

They were ripping on the Great Wheel, simple as that. I know the thing had its fans, but it was one of the lamest things about D&D and 4E gave it a well deserved mercy-killing.

WHat is so crazy about the great wheel? Why was it so faulty? What makes any other arrangement better?

 

[Mournblade94]

It had a vocal and committed minority of fans while everyone else either didn't care or thought it was a load of garbage. Not unlike Forgotten Realms to be honest. It certainly wasn't serving the game at large for the base cosmology to come from Planescape. The core cosmology was one of 4E's big improvements, at least to the majority of us who aren't Planescape fanboys.

Right. Just like Forgotten Realms had a majority of people that wanted it changed. The fans did not want it changed. Only people that did not care about it.

Nothing in the above quote is substantiated in any way shape or form.

Your opinion is very nice, but you cannot claim it is shared by the majority.

 

[Mournblade94]

I think forum crucifixion is a bit harsh of a punishment to hand out for forgetting a word.

No crucifixion. Just pointing out they should have known it. There is no excuse otherwise, unless they were just fans.

 

[Ettin]

Another thought just occurred to me, what if WotC's plan was to pull a Classic Coke trick? 4e is the new Coke that has upset a lot of fans so they will suddenly return to Classic by re-releasing the more popular past edition. Or one could compare it to Slurm!!!

You mean the extremely and justifiably popular soft drink with a great taste from Futurama?

Actually, if you replace the alien worm bottom with a developer's bottom, that is pretty much how 4E works, yeah.

 

[darjr]

I don't think I'm a rabid planescape fan, nor a rabid fan of the great wheel. Yet I was sad to see it go. In many ways it is one of those weird and unique things that make D&D.

 

[Mercurius]

All of mearls's talk about dials leaves me pretty confident that 4e is at least one example of certain points on the dial. It's a good example of complex combat, simple...everything else. That's great for some people, but not for everyone.

A 5e that goes the direction mearls is rambling on about wouldn't necessarily ditch 4e ideals, it would, instead, place them in context as being one example of what the rules could do. Perhaps the core book would include other examples, from 1e down through 3e, and even new examples, of how things can be done.

So I don't imagine 5e as a "change in course," exactly, if they follow mearls's ideas. Rather, it's a new context to find those in. Combats might be complex hour-long minis-based power-card fests, or they might be quick opposed d20 rolls, or they might be several steps in between.

Must spread XP. Anyhow, exactly my thoughts. I especially like your comment in bold-face - well said.

I enjoy 4e.

So do I but it doesn't mean that I'm not excited about 5E.

There seems to be this ugly meme floating around that everyone excited about 5E hates 4E (I'm not saying that you are saying this, Matt!). Not true, at least not in my case! I think that both 3.x and 4E were positive steps forward, but that they were both flawed in a two steps forward, one step back kind of way. My hope is that 5E takes all three steps forward, but think that is unlikely. Still, Mearls' ruminations give me hope...