Getting tired of hearing "Grognard" and "Nostalgia"

[malraux]

If you are going to throw yourself in front of the car then don't complain when you get hit.

This actually wasn't aimed at anyone in particular until someone thought they needed proof.

"All you guys are jerks" isn't something aimed at anyone in particular. Regardless, I'd argue my point still stands: if you dislike the language of the forum in general, and especially what gets directed at your favorite system, then you should leave. It's the same standard you've asked lots of other people to hold to.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

"All you guys are jerks" isn't something aimed at anyone in particular. Regardless, I'd argue my point still stands: if you dislike the language of the forum in general, and especially what gets directed at your favorite system, then you should leave. It's the same standard you've asked lots of other people to hold to.

Here is the thing though. I have the right to start a thread that I believe in and yes anyone can join in but nobody forces anyone to click on that thread and actually post something.

 

[ppaladin123]

Here is the thing though. I have the right to start a thread that I believe in and yes anyone can join in but nobody forces anyone to click on that thread and actually post something.

True, but if you actually want to have interesting and productive conversations, there are certain styles that work better than others. Look at how Delericho posts. Now ask yourself why his threads, which are often critical of 4e, don't devolve into name calling and personal attacks.

At best, a "I can post whatever I want and you don't have to like it," style will get you ignored (and thus people will lose out on your perspective). At worst it will get you continually warned/banned by the moderators.

So do ask yourself what you hope to accomplish with this sort of thread and whether your approach is conducive to that goal, whatever it may be.

 

[Pentius]

Here is the thing though. I have the right to start a thread that I believe in and yes anyone can join in but nobody forces anyone to click on that thread and actually post something.

So, to recap, if people don't like something you say, they should just quietly leave the thread. No one is forcing them to read it or respond to it. If someone says something you don't like, you don't need to leave, you have every right to respond, up to and including starting a thread about it.

I sense a double standard here.

 

[malraux]

Here is the thing though. I have the right to start a thread that I believe in and yes anyone can join in but nobody forces anyone to click on that thread and actually post something.

Well, it's more that, unless you own the server, you have permission to post. And I have permission to read threads and respond if I desire.

It's more the double standard that you're trying to set up here. Your posts are apparently perfectly legit, even when they are responses to others. Other posters should just butt out if they don't like it though. That's certainly not symmetric.

 

[Raikun]

Actually there is lots to discuss. The fact of the matter is, being called a grognard just because they don't like 4th edition and saying they only like it for "nostalgia" sake isn't right.

One common definition of "Grognard" is someone who prefers older editions of the game to newer ones. So, if you prefer Pathfinder etc to 4e, that by definition makes you a Grognard.

 

[the Jester]

Actually there is lots to discuss. The fact of the matter is, being called a grognard just because they don't like 4th edition and saying they only like it for "nostalgia" sake isn't right.

Sure, I think everyone can get behind that.

So.... what else?

I'm just throwing back punches after they've been thrown at me.

And here's the what else: You want to pick a fight. You're not responding to a thread, you're starting a new one. That's like saying, "That guy kicked my butt in the bar two weeks ago, so I'm not starting a fight, I'm just throwing back punches after they've been thrown at me!"

Here is the thing though. I have the right to start a thread that I believe in and yes anyone can join in but nobody forces anyone to click on that thread and actually post something.

Well, the bolded part is true enough, anyhow. Just like you don't have to respond to the threads discussing 4e that seem to annoy you so. Also,keep in mind that none of us have the "right" to do anything here, the site's owner allows us to. It's more like we're all guests in his house.

You threadcrap the 4e forum all the time. Don't be surprised, when you post a thread that comes across as anti-4e, or at least hostile to posters who support 4e, in the 4e forum, if they are there to defend themselves and their points of view.

Now, I agree with you that "4e is better" or "3e is better" or "Pathfinder is better" or "od&d is better" or hell, "Monopoly is better" is just a matter of opinion. But your posts in this thread don't come across as reasoned argument, they come across as trying to pick a fight.

So: If there actually is something here to discuss- something other than "Don't be a jerk" and "Well, he started it!"- I would love to. Please enlighten me. My eyes, apparently, are terrible.

 

[the Jester]

One common definition of "Grognard" is someone who prefers older editions of the game to newer ones. So, if you prefer Pathfinder etc to 4e, that by definition makes you a Grognard.

Nope. Pathfinder is not an older edition of D&D. If anything, it's concurrent.

Granted that it's explicitly designed for backwards-compatibility and is solidly built on 3.5, but I still can't buy your line of argument.

 

[Raikun]

Functionally I consider it a 3rd party extension to 3.5, so eh. I stand by my point though I understand your disagreement. In any case, Grognard is not being used as an insult, which was the point.

 

[OpsKT]

Since I'm the person who used the word "nostalgia" in the other thread, I thought I should chime in.

I apologize if I used an offensive word. I've never called anyone a grognard. I don't think nostalgia is a dirty word; I just don't want people advocating a significant change solely because of nostalgia.

Also, I DEFENDED Pathfinder in that thread. I think Pathfinder is an excellent game and I play it myself, in addition to 4e. I also like 1e and 3e and 3.5e and GURPS and Savage Worlds and Call of Cthulhu. I'm sure I'll like 2e and other non-D&D games as soon as I get a chance to play them (but I'm still pretty new to RPGs and haven't gotten to play too many games yet).

It's not your fault. ForeverSlayer used to follow to my threads at WotC and do her/her/it's damned to get those locked too. And can do it here too I see.

It's getting to the point where I think I will only discuss my hobby with people at the table, cause when they act STPUID then I can hit them in the head.

My advice in the other thread stands. Put it on ignore.