Telekinesis and Rings thereof

[uzagi_akimbo]

It doesn't need to "recharge"- it just needs to be activated again, taking another Standard Action.



If you're believing in an ability that can lift things without any physical interaction, I think you've gone beyond the idea of lifting yourself by your shoelaces. If you go and pick up something heavy, you're pushing one thing (the heavy object) by pushing against something else (the ground). You obviously can't lift yourself like this, because part of you has to be pushing against the ground, and that would defeat the entire purpose. It's possible, however, to temporarily lift yourself by pushing against the ground violently, such as jumping.

Telekinesis, however, requires no transfer or force- meaning, you don't have to have anything to push against to lift an object. Thus, no part of you still has to be touching the ground, and there's no logical reason why you could lift someone else and not yourself.

Sorry, but I still subscribe to the concept of the caster being the fulcrum, for lifting anything up with "telekinesis", the anchoring point for the effectiveness of the spell's leverage. And being the point the telekinetic force is emmanating from and resting on he cannot affect himself. Also If he could lift himself (accidentally or on purpose) by trying to affect an object too heavy for the limitations of this spell, that would IMHO be specificially noted in the description of this spell. Instead - if the object is too heavy, nothing happens, the spell's "leverage" is not strong enough. One would think they would mention mages flying around the room because they misjudged and tried to lift the granite idol, wouldn't they ?
Of course, if you assume the telekinetic force exerted to be an effect independent from the mage, simply raised and controlled by him, things may work out different, but that theory is not supported by the spell's description, or its school, transmutation.

And yes, if he was flying or levitating, the (non-telekinesis) spell or other means used to support him into that position would provide the point of leverage, IMHO, be it wings, a gasbag, dragon or a spell's effect. YMMV

BTW if you use the spell "Telekinesis " for performing combat manouevres, you get to use your caster level in place of your normal base attack value. In the case of the ring, that would increase the BA-value for this purpose from +4 to +9 (or from +6 to +12, depending on your take what the minimum caster level for creating said ring could bem according to the rules ). Which may ease the misgivings initially displayed about the ring's effectivness.

 

[Broen]

Most broken question concerning this ring.

If a fighter is using a ring of telekinesis and a weapon of spell storing, can he store this spell in the weapon to knock his target back after struck?

Brian

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

If a fighter is using a ring of telekinesis and a weapon of spell storing, can he store this spell in the weapon to knock his target back after struck?

Brian

AH! ZOMBIE THREAD!!

To answer your question, I don't believe spell storing items store magical item effects, only ordinarily cast spells.
"A spell storing weapon allows a spellcaster to store a single targeted spell of up to 3rd level in the weapon".
A continuous effect magic item that does a spell effect is not the same thing as a spell.

...I could be wrong.

 

[Broen]

Bleh, I forgot.

Well the ring is a usable 5th level spell anyway, so it would not be valid at any point. I wonder if a high UMD would let a weapon be charged from a wand though? I'll try to find the appropriate thread for that one...

 

[Nebten]

Just the fact that Telekinesis is a 5th level spell alone disqualifies it.

But even if it was 3rd level, I don't believe it would work. A spell triggering item (scroll or wand) could work, but not from a magic item.

 

[the Jester]

Doesn't it strike anyone as rather paradoxical, that the minimum caster level to create a ring of telekinesis would be 9th, if the "Forge Ring" feat is available only at 12th and higher levels ?

No. You have to be 12th level to have the feat, but nothing says you can't make an item at a lower caster level than your own (usually to lower the cost).