D&D 5E Pew Pew magic......AHHHHHHH! Make martials all day swingers and casters limited per day slingers.

[EnglishLanguage]

That sounds really problematic. And really not like any version of D&D I'm aware of.

3.x mostly.

Use a Candle of Invocation to Gate in an Efreet, use him to wish for more candles, repeat until you have more candles than you know what to do with, then use them to gate in as many efreets as you need Wishes.

 

[Umbran]

3.x mostly.

And a high level caster in 1e or 2e can be able to directly toss multiple Wishes or Miracles a day, if they want to.

 

[EnglishLanguage]

And a high level caster in 1e or 2e can be able to directly toss multiple Wishes or Miracles a day, if they want to.

True, though that usually involves using your own spell slots.

 

[Obryn]

And a high level caster in 1e or 2e can be able to directly toss multiple Wishes or Miracles a day, if they want to.

At 5 years of your life per casting, though.

 

[DMZ2112]

3.x mostly.

Use a Candle of Invocation to Gate in an Efreet, use him to wish for more candles, repeat until you have more candles than you know what to do with, then use them to gate in as many efreets as you need Wishes.

...I think Imix might have something to say about that. He would if I were running, anyway.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

3.x mostly.

Use a Candle of Invocation to Gate in an Efreet, use him to wish for more candles, repeat until you have more candles than you know what to do with, then use them to gate in as many efreets as you need Wishes.

DM: "Sorry, won't work in this game. If you want to pull that then find another group to play with."

DM:" Okay, you call the Efreet but I am deeming a granting of a Wish as contractual so you need to either pay up or do it a service." "The reason I can do this is because Wish doesn't have a casting time, only with regards to duplicating a spell. Doesn't state how long it takes to create a magic item so that's why I can decide that it doesn't fall with in the immediate task."

Simple

 

[EnglishLanguage]

DM: "Sorry, won't work in this game. If you want to pull that then find another group to play with."

DM:" Okay, you call the Efreet but I am deeming a granting of a Wish as contractual so you need to either pay up or do it a service." "The reason I can do this is because Wish doesn't have a casting time, only with regards to duplicating a spell. Doesn't state how long it takes to create a magic item so that's why I can decide that it doesn't fall with in the immediate task."

Simple

I wrote that assuming houserules weren't in play.

 

[Grydan]

Okay, so it's absurd to he able to swing your sword all day, but it makes sense that it takes you 24 hours to remember how you swung your sword that certain way the day before?

Ceaseless sword swinging being silly does not equal "Therefore, martial dailies are the only viable solution."

There are any number of ways systems could model fatigue, and many of them could be applied to both sword-swinging AND spell-slinging.

For instance, if one were to embrace the idea that hit points aren't (exclusively) meat, but are supposed to also cover fatigue:

All actions significant enough to bother tracking consume HP, representing the effort it takes to perform them. Swing a sword, lose HP. Cast a spell, lose HP.

Simpler things consume a smaller amount, more complex and powerful things consume a larger amount. A basic sword-swing costs fewer HP than an attempt at a fancy manoeuvre. A cantrip costs fewer HP than a Fireball.

In such a system, it would probably make sense for nearly everything to reduce HP on a miss, to represent the effort required by the defender.

Obviously this system is far too significant a change to be the default approach, and would require a high degree of mathematical rigour from the designers to get the balance right. It'd never be accepted by the HP as meat crowd, and given that I've spent all of a minute inventing it there's probably numerous other flaws I haven't considered.

But I'm not a professional game designer. I'm confident that the professionals could come up with ideas at least as good, and probably better. Then the development team could work out the kinks.

But that'd require them to actually want to model fatigue in the first place, rather than perpetual-motion fighters and forgetful wizards.

I don't know, will they?

Like I said upthread, "uses a crossbow" is hardly an iconic feature of wizards in literature.

Well, there's Hagrid ... perhaps all these crossbow-carrying wizards also have pink umbrellas ...

 

[ForeverSlayer]

I wrote that assuming houserules weren't in play.

Second response wasn't a houserule.

Just want to continue with this response. Now, even if we place the request into the immediate column and we go by the magic item creation rules then you would have to have a caster level of 57600..

For it to be considered an immediate task, it would require one caster per round. There are 57600 rounds in a 4 day period because one round equals 6 seconds. Now, a to create a Candle of Invocation would require 4,200 gp and take 4 days to complete. There are 345600 seconds in a 4 day period. Divide that by 6 and you have 57600 rounds in 4 days.

 

[Wulfgar76]

And a high level caster in 1e or 2e can be able to directly toss multiple Wishes or Miracles a day, if they want to.

Not to mention multiple daily castings of teleports, summons, disintegrates, time stops, invisibilities, flight, etc.

But repeated use of shocking grasp, that just breaks the magic economy wide open.