immediate and Swift actions

[NuSair]

Just for convenience sake, here is a screen shot of the almighty page 7.

 

[kexmal]

BUT the order is important you CAN use a swift and an immediate in two consecutive rounds BUT you cannot use an imediate and a swift in two consecutive rounds... BUT you can use an immediate and an immediate in two consectutive rouns just not an immediate and a swift... so you can do swift-swift, immediate-immedaite, swift-immediate BUT NOT immediate-SWIFT that seems stange but that is what i read...

 

[Dandu]

So what I am saying is this you cannot use an immediate actionn in any round you have already used a swift... BUT if you DONT use a swift and if you use an immediate on a turn that is NOT your own then you cannot use a swift OR an immediate again until your NEXT turn i OVER.... So that means lets say I am INIT 5 and DONT use a swift I use an immediate on INIT3... I CANT use a swift on my next turn (INIT 5) BUT I CAN use another immedaite on INIT 4 or lower... BUT If I use my swift during my turn I CANT ALSO USE an immediate on THAT TURN...

That is literally the opposite of what you said earlier, unless your writing is throwing me off.

i would say no of course if they use it at end of INIT 3 then that is the LAST action for the round they cant use both a swift at INIT 5 and an immediate at INIT 3-.1. If it is acceptable to use an immediate as the VERY last action then you must qualify meaning you must NOT have used your swift or immediate for the round... But lets say I used it at the top of the order then i cant use my swift during my turn and cant use my immediate until after my next turn whihc would be THIS round AFTER INIT count 5

 

[kexmal]

That is literally the opposite of what you said earlier.

Actually that is NOT im talking about two rounds in a ROW... you can NEVER use a swift and a swift in the same round OR a immediate and an immediate in same round or a swift and immediate in same round or an immedaite and a swift in same round. THe end of the round business is upto DM what happens when you want to interrupt at the END of INIT I would say you CANT if you ALREADY used your swift or immediate for the turn BUT if you havent then fine

 

[Dandu]

Actually that is NOT im talking about two rounds in a ROW... you can NEVER use a swift and a swift in the same round OR a immediate and an immediate in same round or a swift and immediate in same round or an immedaite and a swift in same round

I'll note that two out of those three situations are explicitly prohibited by the text of Swift and Free actions.

 

[kexmal]

I'll note that three out of those four situations are explicitly prohibited by the text of Swift and Free actions.

Dont understand??? i am saying round 1 use swift round 2 use wsift (two rounds ina row perfeclty legit)... Round one use immediate round two use immedaite as long you use the immediate AFTER your next turn... Round 1 use swift round two use immedaite (as long as you dont use a swift during round 2)... round 1 use swift round 2 use swift... all fine what you cant do is this: round 1 use immediate and round two use swift... Cause swifts can only be used during your TURN

 

[NuSair]

Round and turn are defined in the PHB. They're well-understood terms, and really shouldn't be causing the sorts of confusion this thread is suffering.

Actually, turn isn't defined in the PHB. Round is, kind of. It's the same description as in the RC except for an example of when a monks stun wears off after 1 round.

 

[delericho]

So what I am saying is this you cannot use an immediate actionn in any round you have already used a swift...

I agree that that's what you're saying. It is, however, incorrect.

BUT if you DONT use a swift and if you use an immediate on a turn that is NOT your own then you cannot use a swift OR an immediate again until your NEXT turn i OVER.... So that means lets say I am INIT 5 and DONT use a swift I use an immediate on INIT3... I CANT use a swift on my next turn (INIT 5) BUT I CAN use another immedaite on INIT 4 or lower...

This bit is correct.

BUT If I use my swift during my turn I CANT ALSO USE an immediate on THAT TURN...

This bit is not. Using an Immediate action uses up your Swift action in your next turn.

So you can use two swifts in two rounds two immedites in two rounds, a swift and an immediate in two rounds BUT NOT a swift and a swift OR an immediate and an immediate OR a swift and an immediate in the SAME round ...

You should probably reread the PHB definition of a 'round' again. It makes it clear that it's like our definition of "a week" - it can mean both "Sunday through to Saturday" and "the time from today until next Friday". So, a round can be "from INIT 25ish to INIT 0", but it can also be "the time from my turn until my next turn."

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Look at it like this:

As soon as your turn ends, you gain an Immediate action. You can use this at any point from then on.

If you don't use it then when your turn comes along again, that Immediate action 'matures', and can now be used either as a Swift or an Immediate action. If you don't use it now, you lose it.

Then, as soon as your turn ends (whether you used the previous Swift/Immediate or not), you gain an Immediate action. You can use this at any point from then on...

 

[kexmal]

Actually, turn isn't defined in the PHB. Round is, kind of. It's the same description as in the RC except for an example of when a monks stun wears off after 1 round.

Maybe maybe not we all know diff between turn and round and immediate actions just confuse things my way is the only way to say you CANT do BOTh a swift and immediate or an immediate and immediate or a swift and a swift in the same round which the rules support... there is rules even in PHB that distinguishes between turns and rounds. There are just additional rules that say an immediate eats up your NEXT TURNS (not rounds) swift action.

 

[Dandu]

Dont understand???

Be careful, you know what they say about multiple punctuation marks.

1 am saying round 1 use swift round 2 use wsift (two rounds ina row perfeclty legit)... Round one use immediate round two use immedaite as long you use the immediate AFTER your next turn... Round 1 use swift round two use immedaite (as long as you dont use a swift during round 2)... round 1 use swift round 2 use swift... all fine what you cant do is this: round 1 use immediate and round two use swift... Cause swifts can only be used during your TURN

The only dispute we have is whether you can use a swift action on your turn, and an immediate action after, while still on the same round. A particular, narrow reading of the introductory text on page 7 leads to your interpretation. Everything else ever published about swift and immediate actions, on the other hand, does not. Including the limitations spelled out in the descriptions of swift and immediate actions, which you'd think would be an appropriate place to include them.