D&D 5E Too much bickering about 5e, let's get down to what matters.

[evileeyore]

That is why its all the more shame they are only support martial healing in their game.

What?

Where is this idea that only martial healing is geting "support" coming from?


And a better question: How do we stop whomever started that nonsense?

 

[Mistwell]

What?

Where is this idea that only martial healing is geting "support" coming from?


And a better question: How do we stop whomever started that nonsense?

I agree. The overwhelming majority of healing that happens in our playtest is magical, from the Cleric. The Cleric has saved the butts of the party more times than I can count. Where is this bizarre claim about "only martial healing" coming from? The martial healing in the game is minuscule relative to the magical healing in the game.

 

[Raith5]

I voted "Worse" because I think it's a step back, overall. While non-combat options like backgrounds are definitely a step forward (even if they're pretty weak), the huge step away from defined mechanics and "rulings, not rules" is a massive step back from what I want in a fantasy game.

Of course, that'll be just the opposite for a lot of other people, so there's that. I'm just saying why I voted the way I did.

I think of this in similar way. I see DDN as being a bit of style over mechanics, as an explicit counter point to 4th ed mechanics over style/tradition. DDN seems to capture for what is good about the feeling of D&D across the editions (IMO) but doesnt seem to yet give me all the resources I desire. I really liked having distinctly named powers to live out my expression of a ranger for instance, i liked the cinema created by mechanisms like second wind and action points, and I liked the ways roles carved out a mechanics for team play. Of course these mechanics cut across the traditional style of D&D in some respects.

 

[Mishihari Lord]

I expect it to be better than 3rd and 4th, but not as good as 1st or 2nd. I abstained from the poll since this is not an available answer.

 

[Scrivener of Doom]

This poll reminds me of bad journalism where a question is framed to try and reduce an issue to two or more false choices rather than an attempt to actually discover the truth.

And the truth is that no edition can be objectively better than another. I prefer 4E and think Gary was a poor game designer (but an outstanding entrepreneur) but I would never say that 4E is objectively better than AD&D despite my preference for 4E and dislike of AD&D. The fact that other people hate 4E and think AD&D rocks is proof that my preference is nothing more than a preference rather than an objective fact.

Do I think I will like 5E? Probably not. But that's a difference question with a different answer. Maybe we need a new poll... and perhaps it would also be best to wait until 5E is released.

 

[Blackbrrd]

This poll reminds me of bad journalism where a question is framed to try and reduce an issue to two or more false choices rather than an attempt to actually discover the truth.

And the truth is that no edition can be objectively better than another. I prefer 4E and think Gary was a poor game designer (but an outstanding entrepreneur) but I would never say that 4E is objectively better than AD&D despite my preference for 4E and dislike of AD&D. The fact that other people hate 4E and think AD&D rocks is proof that my preference is nothing more than a preference than an objective fact.

Do I think I will like 5E? Probably not. But that's a difference question with a different answer. Maybe we need a new poll... and perhaps it would also be best to wait until 5E is released.

The OP is probably asking for what you think will be the better edition. Not what's objectively better. That's your assumption about the poll.

Anyway the poll results here basically mirrors the poll I had in the: "Are you buying 5e" poll/thread. Nearly 80% has pre-ordered or are going to buy it, 15% are on the fence and 5% doesn't like it.

You can see the polls as a reaction to all the nit-picking on everything from layout, text-formatting, to specific abilities (Second wind, I am looking at you). I have found myself wondering if people in general really are that negative, or if it's just a vocal minority. The poll here seems to show that it is just a vocal minority that nit picks on small issues.

I think many here haven't played 1e. Personally I have played Basic (red/blue book) and AD&D 2nd edition, 3e, 3.5 and 4e. Getting enough people with 1e experience to join an objective poll will be pretty difficult.

 

[Duddmannen]

I really look forward to this edition of Dungeons & Dragons. From what I've read so far it contains all the essential bits of what is Dungeons & Dragons to me, building on all the lessons learned from previous editions. I compare it to the new version of RuneQuest - reliable and well-tested through many previous editions, narrowing in on a perfect, or near-perfect, version.

 

[Mistwell]

This poll reminds me of bad journalism where a question is framed to try and reduce an issue to two or more false choices rather than an attempt to actually discover the truth.

And the truth is that no edition can be objectively better than another. I prefer 4E and think Gary was a poor game designer (but an outstanding entrepreneur) but I would never say that 4E is objectively better than AD&D despite my preference for 4E and dislike of AD&D. The fact that other people hate 4E and think AD&D rocks is proof that my preference is nothing more than a preference rather than an objective fact.

Do I think I will like 5E? Probably not. But that's a difference question with a different answer. Maybe we need a new poll... and perhaps it would also be best to wait until 5E is released.

Scriv, if someone wants to know if something is objectively true, they will not ask an opinion poll. The sign that he is asking for your subjective opinion rather than objective truth, is that this is a friggen poll.

 

[Evenglare]

The OP is probably asking for what you think will be the better edition. Not what's objectively better. That's your assumption about the poll.

Anyway the poll results here basically mirrors the poll I had in the: "Are you buying 5e" poll/thread. Nearly 80% has pre-ordered or are going to buy it, 15% are on the fence and 5% doesn't like it.

You can see the polls as a reaction to all the nit-picking on everything from layout, text-formatting, to specific abilities (Second wind, I am looking at you). I have found myself wondering if people in general really are that negative, or if it's just a vocal minority. The poll here seems to show that it is just a vocal minority that nit picks on small issues.

I think many here haven't played 1e. Personally I have played Basic (red/blue book) and AD&D 2nd edition, 3e, 3.5 and 4e. Getting enough people with 1e experience to join an objective poll will be pretty difficult.

This is exactly right. I figured that it was pretty self evident that this is a preference poll. Polls in this circumstance are preference and not an objective evaluation of something this complex. I mean, if you think a poll holds no meaning if the question subjective;then, I guess we better get rid of voting and democracy, right? I've made this analogy over and over again, and I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about it.

5e and the other editions (as a whole) are being evaluated as to which you think will be better. Think of this as an incumbent (older editions who have already been proven for good or bad) and a new comer (5e) who isn't even in office (released) yet. We have hear much of what 5e has to say and now I'm simply taking a poll if you think 5e will be a better edition than the old editions (as a whole). If you think an older edition (as a whole, even if it does have some flaws) is better than 5e, then your answer with the poll would be "no". If you think 5e (what it's promising) looks better than the older editions than you would vote "yes". I don't really know how to make it much clearer than that.

This is by no means objective at all, but clearly people have made decisions right now based on the information given to them. I will probably do this poll again when everything is out and people have been playing a while (think of the newcomer's first term in office, we will see how well he ACTUALLY did). The reason of the poll in the first place is the fact that I wanted to see how the community (as a whole) think the new edition will do. It's very very hard to go through topics complaining about this mechanic or that mechanic, to get a clear idea of how the populous perceives this upcoming edition.

Again, I didn't really think this needed explaining but I guess it does. If you still don't get it, then... just... replace the question with "Do you think you will enjoy running 5th edition more than other editions, knowing what you know at this point in time?" Is that acceptable?

 

[Mistwell]

The OP is probably asking for what you think will be the better edition. Not what's objectively better. That's your assumption about the poll.

Anyway the poll results here basically mirrors the poll I had in the: "Are you buying 5e" poll/thread. Nearly 80% has pre-ordered or are going to buy it, 15% are on the fence and 5% doesn't like it.

You can see the polls as a reaction to all the nit-picking on everything from layout, text-formatting, to specific abilities (Second wind, I am looking at you). I have found myself wondering if people in general really are that negative, or if it's just a vocal minority. The poll here seems to show that it is just a vocal minority that nit picks on small issues.

I think many here haven't played 1e. Personally I have played Basic (red/blue book) and AD&D 2nd edition, 3e, 3.5 and 4e. Getting enough people with 1e experience to join an objective poll will be pretty difficult.

For what it is worth, TheRPGSite.com is composed of mostly (but not exclusively) old school players. And I'd say it's receiving a pretty decent response over there, given the level of "hive of scum and villainy" the board is in general known for and their overall "back in my day we walked up hill both ways in the snow, and liked it!" attitude