Christian Persecution vs Persecuted Christians

[Kramodlog]

Asians aren't being discriminated against on behalf of whites, they're being discriminated against on behalf of other minorities.

This is caused by other minorities?

It is true that although Asian-Americans do remarkably well at school and university, and have high average incomes, in the workplace they are under-represented in top jobs. A “bamboo ceiling” seems to apply. Asians do well in the lower and middle levels of companies and professions, but are less visible in the upper echelons. Buck Gee, Janet Wong and Denise Peck, Asian-American executives who put together data from Google, Intel, Hewlett Packard, LinkedIn and Yahoo for a report published by Ascend, an Asian-American organisation, found that 27% of professionals, 19% of managers and 14% of executives were Asian-American (see chart)

A similar effect is visible in the law. In 2014, whereas 11% of law-firm associates were Asian, 3% of partners were.

At the very top of the tree, Asian-Americans are nigh-invisible. According to a study of Fortune 500 CEOs by Richard Zweigenhaft of Guilford College, in 2000 eight were Asian-American, and in 2014 ten were, whereas the women’s tally in the same period rose from four to 24. Academia, similarly, is stuffed with Asian-American professors, but among America’s 3,000 colleges there are fewer than ten Asian-American presidents, says Mr Gee.

You have interesting racial theories.

 

[Maxperson]

Your argument that people are responsable for the discrimination they face crumbles when it is applied to other groups. Asian face racism even if they meet your gold standard on culture (http://www.economist.com/news/brief...successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever). Is homosexual culture responsable for homophobia? Is female culture to blame for discrimination women face? Might as well say women cause their own rape.

Better ignore stuff that invalidates your theory.

That was a fairly impressive Strawman. I never said people are responsible for the discrimination they face, but they are partially responsible for their economic situation. That in turn makes them partially responsible for the economic discrimination discrimination they face, but does not make them in any way responsible for racism against them.

 

[Kramodlog]

The argument is about privilege theory, so when I respond and talk about privilege theory and privilege, I'm just focusing on that word.

Indeed. You seem to think that "privilege" shouldn't be used to discribe the difference in treatement based on race, gender or gender identity, some people will face in there life.

Unless you disagree that people can be treated differently based on race or gender? That would be another matter.

 

[Kramodlog]

Huh?

Oh, you're confused. To many posts at the same time for you. No problem.

 

[Maxperson]

It is true that although Asian-Americans do remarkably well at school and university, and have high average incomes, in the workplace they are under-represented in top jobs. A “bamboo ceiling” seems to apply. Asians do well in the lower and middle levels of companies and professions, but are less visible in the upper echelons. Buck Gee, Janet Wong and Denise Peck, Asian-American executives who put together data from Google, Intel, Hewlett Packard, LinkedIn and Yahoo for a report published by Ascend, an Asian-American organisation, found that 27% of professionals, 19% of managers and 14% of executives were Asian-American (see chart)

That's very impressive. One minority claiming such a high percentage. There are a lot of minorities, as well as white people, and almost 20% of managers are from that one. Don't be gulled into thinking that just because a number isn't 50% or higher that it's low. You have to put it in perspective. Asian Americans are 5.6% of the U.S. population, so you'd expect them to hold about 5.6% of the top jobs if all was equal. They hold far more than their fair share.

 

[Ovinomancer]

This is caused by other minorities?

It is true that although Asian-Americans do remarkably well at school and university, and have high average incomes, in the workplace they are under-represented in top jobs. A “bamboo ceiling” seems to apply. Asians do well in the lower and middle levels of companies and professions, but are less visible in the upper echelons. Buck Gee, Janet Wong and Denise Peck, Asian-American executives who put together data from Google, Intel, Hewlett Packard, LinkedIn and Yahoo for a report published by Ascend, an Asian-American organisation, found that 27% of professionals, 19% of managers and 14% of executives were Asian-American (see chart)

Asians make up about 5% of the US population. They appear, by this data, to be strongly overrepresented.

A similar effect is visible in the law. In 2014, whereas 11% of law-firm associates were Asian, 3% of partners were.

That is very much in line with their percentage of the population.

At the very top of the tree, Asian-Americans are nigh-invisible. According to a study of Fortune 500 CEOs by Richard Zweigenhaft of Guilford College, in 2000 eight were Asian-American, and in 2014 ten were, whereas the women’s tally in the same period rose from four to 24. Academia, similarly, is stuffed with Asian-American professors, but among America’s 3,000 colleges there are fewer than ten Asian-American presidents, says Mr Gee.

You have interesting racial theories.

Again, Asians make up about 5% of the population. In 2014, by your statistics, they held 5% of the top spots in Fortune 500 companies. Where's the problem, again?

Please do more math problems. I like these.

 

[Maxperson]

Asians make up about 5% of the US population. They appear, by this data, to be strongly overrepresented.

That is very much in line with their percentage of the population.

Again, Asians make up about 5% of the population. In 2014, by your statistics, they held 5% of the top spots in Fortune 500 companies. Where's the problem, again?

Please do more math problems. I like these.

Hah! Beat you to it.

 

[Kramodlog]

I never said people are responsible for the discrimination they face, but they are partially responsible for their economic situation.That in turn makes them partially responsible for the economic discrimination discrimination they face, but does not make them in any way responsible for racism against them.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Indeed. You seem to think that "privilege" shouldn't be used to discribe the difference in treatement based on race, gender or gender identity, some people will face in there life.

Yup, it's misleading and casts non-victims as somehow having a special privilege just because they're non-victims.

Unless you disagree that people can be treated differently based on race or gender? That would be another matter.

Pretty sure my explicit statements that things like racism are the root causes of disparity, unlike a fictional 'privilege' for not suffering racism, show that I have no disagreement that people can be treated differently based on race or gender.

Oh, you're confused. To many posts at the same time for you. No problem.

Hey, man, you're the one making nonsensical strawmen arguments. Maybe you should slow down a bit, catch a breather, watch a game, and then come back?

 

[Maxperson]

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So you have no valid rebuttal to the argument. Good to know.