D&D 5E Fighters: a humble proposal

[FormerlyHemlock]

The whole point is to give fighter something unique, and to keep feats mostly off the table for simplicity elsewhere (fighter is the simplest class).

Though, to further keep a lid on it, maybe they could only take Feats with their two 'extra' ASIs, at 6th and 14th. And/or limit the feat option to the Champion, specifically.

edit: Oh, the OP should also decide if Fighters can be variant humans and get that feat at 1st level. Shades of 3e, there.

That was the OP's proposal: fighters only get to use their 6th/14th level ASIs on feats.

 

[jayoungr]

If the fighters have too many babies and not enough food ... oh wait, that was the modest proposal.

 

[hawkeyefan]

That was the OP's proposal: fighters only get to use their 6th/14th level ASIs on feats.

I didn't read it that way... I read it as each instance of an ASI/Feat. Levels 6, 10, and 14 were listed, but the implication was all.

 

[FormerlyHemlock]

I didn't read it that way... I read it as each instance of an ASI/Feat. Levels 6, 10, and 14 were listed, but the implication was all.

So here is my proposal:

For a featless game, the fighters can obtain feats with their bonus feat/stat advance.

Emphasis added.

 

[Istbor]

Each sub-class of fighter has a particular group of people that mention its perceived shortcomings (I won't debate the accuracy of those perceptions in this thread) often enough that the perception easily becomes that the class isn't satisfying in a general sense.

In truth, it is just that each sub-class of fighter is meant to appeal to completely different things that a player might want out of a fighter-type character, so anyone that likes one sub-class but not another shouldn't be counted as "doesn't like the class" even though it is easy to see them as counting that way.

And I understand that. Note, the Champion sub-class does not knock my socks off. However, I still think the fighter is a very interesting class.

Hmm, then again, I generally make the character first, and try to fit what class feel right onto it. Unless there is a class I am absolutely itching to try out.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Emphasis added.

Yeah, you're right....my bad. I saw the multiple levels listed and totally misinterpreted it as all the ASIs, not just the additional ones fighters get. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Ancalagon]

Hello

Yes, the feats are meant as the bonus ASI only. I also see that I mucked up the levels, I will go fix that in the OP for clarity.
I'll also note that if the player wants to just take more ASI instead of a feat, they can

 

[Ancalagon]

This would actually make me _more_ likely to play a fighter. And (of course) a lot less likely to play a human. Cool idea.

The one thing I'd add is letting rogues take a feat at level 10 (when they get a bonus) for much the same reasons.

Thank you.

Re the rogues, I hadn't noticed that. It's an interesting idea. Are there other classes that get bonus ASI besides fighter and rogues? And do rogues need that boost?

 

[feartheminotaur]

No, just those two.

As for do rogues need them? Eh...it depends on what kind of rogue you have. I think feats really help damage-focused striker-type rogues (since they don't get Fighting Styles). But not getting one isn't going to hurt them in comparison to other classes.

 

[brehobit]

No, just those two.

As for do rogues need them? Eh...it depends on what kind of rogue you have. I think feats really help damage-focused striker-type rogues (since they don't get Fighting Styles). But not getting one isn't going to hurt them in comparison to other classes.

The thing is the extra ASI for a rogue becomes nearly useless at 10th level. Dex is almost certainly already maxed out and anything else is a very small improvement. I've yet to play a 5th ed rogue, but I think not giving them access to a feat at 10th level hurts them wrt the other classes a bit too much. Now, being one of the only classes _with_ a feat might help them a bit too much, but honestly, I tend to find casters overpowering non casters at higher levels. So I think it helps more than it hurts.