D&D 5E Why FR Is "Hated"

[Maxperson]

Check out "On Hallowed Ground"

You mean page 41 where it says that a divine battle is strictly a two party thing, because the other powers are afraid that if they interfere all of the other pantheons would band together to destroy them?

 

[Ilbranteloth]

That's a Demon Lord at work for ya, because everyone knows.....

Upon seeing Orcus' "Fresh Food" Items. Make a WIS save (DC20.. DC45 if 12am or later and PC is intoxicated), for PC to realize they should not eat any of these things. If save fails, see below.


Legendary Action-
Cause Diarrhea- when a PC partakes in one or more of Orcus' .99¢ Chili Cheese Dogs, Mystery Meat Pizza Slices, or 2 Day Old Boston Cream Filled Doughnuts, make a Con save (DC30) every hour for the next 24 hours. Any missed save results is massive cramping, prayers to the porcelain god*, and inability to move more than one square/5' from toilet area.

If PC Misses 3 saves in a row, see "Contract Food Poisoning" and "Meet Deductible for ER visit"



*aka Commodeus

That's what you get for using zombie meat.

 

[Hussar]

I was under the impression that any extra planar being killed on its home plane was completely destroyed. That's certainly true for demons and devils.

 

[Maxperson]

I was under the impression that any extra planar being killed on its home plane was completely destroyed. That's certainly true for demons and devils.

Depending on the edition deities are different.

1e: What you say is true.

2e: Gods can only be killed by a god of equal or higher stature, or by a god of any stature using an artifact. It's not possible for a mortal to kill a god unless the DM decides to make an exception. Plane didn't play into it as far as I saw.

3e: It's up to the DM to decide if and how a god can be killed.

4e: No freaking clue. I didn't really play 4e after I tried it and decided that it wasn't for me.

5: Not determined yet as far as I know.

 

[Hussar]

Again dunno about gods but extaplanar creatures are only sent home unless you kill them on their home plane in 5e.

Not sure why gods would be particularly different.

Note the whole gods are powered by worshippers is a FR thing. There's nothing actually tying the power of a God to its worshippers outside of FR AFAIK.

 

[cbwjm]

I believe it became standard in 2e, at least in the planescape line of products. I was never too enamoured of that and tended to ignore the need for gods to require worshippers.

 

[Maxperson]

Note the whole gods are powered by worshippers is a FR thing. There's nothing actually tying the power of a God to its worshippers outside of FR AFAIK.

That's not actually true.

From the 1e Legends and Lore: However, it is true that a god's power often increases or decreases as the number of his worshipers varies. Thus deities, and clerics as their agents, constantly try to increase the quantity and quality of their worshipers.

From the 2e Legends and Lore: Unlike the relationship between men and ants, though, there does seem to be something more vibrant in the association between a god and his worshipers. The exact nature of this connection, unfortunately, remains a mystery far beyond the comprehension of mortals and (some say) immortals alike. Suffice it to say that gods need worshipers and will often go to some trouble to make sure they have a good supply.

3e leaves it in the hands of the DM to decide if gods need mortals or not, but it is one of the options specifically given to the DM.

Not sure about 4e and 5e hasn't said.

The portion that is unique to the Realms is not that gods need worshipers. It's that mortals must have a god or be damned in the afterlife.

 

[Maxperson]

I believe it became standard in 2e, at least in the planescape line of products. I was never too enamoured of that and tended to ignore the need for gods to require worshippers.

It was standard in 1e and 2e. Planescape just fleshed it out more.

 

[cbwjm]

Was a result of the time of troubles that the gods now required worshippers whereas before they didnt? I could be wrong, I seem to recall that somewhere though.

 

[Maxperson]

Was a result of the time of troubles that the gods now required worshippers whereas before they didnt? I could be wrong, I seem to recall that somewhere though.

No. The requirement existed for all of 2e.