The Orville Season Two - Thoughts?

[Dannyalcatraz]

Do we know which of the Union or Kaylon did the initial outreach? We know the Kaylon were exploring all their options. Perhaps the arrival of the Kaylon emissaries/scouts/Isaac and their self evidently superior tech was enough to convince the Union to work VERY hard to have them join.

 

[CapnZapp]

Isaac says he was out of commission for "30 cycles" or the like - I'm going to guess that a cycle is like an hour, not a day. They just elided over what was basically a day of travel as fast as they can. A month makes little sense - they don't know Isaac's condition, and probably aren't going to expect that he can be reactivated after being dead for a month. Especially without saying something about it.

It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Union to be considering them for membership if they are a month's travel away. An ally who can't support you, and who you cannot support, for over a month isn't a terribly useful ally.

30 hours is nothing. If the Union can't keep up communications if you travel barely more than a day, it would be a strange Union in a very strange space indeed.

Also: they probably aren't hoping for Kaylon to be "the Cavalry". They hope to learn more about their technology.

Distance is irrelevant to information.

 

[CapnZapp]

Do we know which of the Union or Kaylon did the initial outreach?

No, don't think we do.

 

[Morrus]

Isaac says he was out of commission for "30 cycles" or the like - I'm going to guess that a cycle is like an hour, not a day. They just elided over what was basically a day of travel as fast as they can. A month makes little sense - they don't know Isaac's condition, and probably aren't going to expect that he can be reactivated after being dead for a month. Especially without saying something about it.

It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Union to be considering them for membership if they are a month's travel away. An ally who can't support you, and who you cannot support, for over a month isn't a terribly useful ally.

Thing is, a day away is not what I'd really consider remote. It doesn't match the way they described it. The Union has really only explored space within a day of Earth?

 

[Umbran]

Thing is, a day away is not what I'd really consider remote.

This isn't "a day" the way tourist Morrus would travel, drive for a few hours and end in a hotel. This is "round the clock, this ship don't stop," traveling at best sustainable speed.

In a full day of hard driving, if there's no impediments, one can drive maybe 1400 miles? That's like going from Boston, MA to Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

In case of difficulties, would *you* think keeping up a supply line from Boston to Baton Rouge would be easy, or tactically advisable?

It doesn't match the way they described it. The Union has really only explored space within a day of Earth?

It was within 30ish cycles of the Orville's location at the time, which wasn't Earth.

 

[Umbran]

Distance is irrelevant to information.

It most certainly is not! We were told, very clearly, that the Orville would be *outside communication range*. The only way to get the information would be to send ships back and forth.

This being crucial, as there was no way for the Orville to warn the Union of what's happening...

 

[Morrus]

This isn't "a day" the way tourist Morrus would travel, drive for a few hours and end in a hotel. This is "round the clock, this ship don't stop," traveling at best sustainable speed.

In a full day of hard driving, if there's no impediments, one can drive maybe 1400 miles? That's like going from Boston, MA to Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

In case of difficulties, would *you* think keeping up a supply line from Boston to Baton Rouge would be easy, or tactically advisable?

But it's not me in a car, and even if it was I wouldn’t describe that as remote, on the edge of explorered territory, and out of communication range.

It's how the Union describes the planet. I'm pretty sure the US military would find it a fairly trivial logistical problem. I can't imagine they'd think "That Louisiana, that's pretty remote! Furthest we've ever explored!" You've compared me in a car to the Union.

But anyway. You're arguing pretty hard that a day's travel qualifies as "remote" and I feel strongly that it doesn't. I don't think either of us is going to change our minds on that!

 

[Umbran]

But it's not me in a car, and even if it was I wouldn’t describe that as remote, on the edge of explorered territory, and out of communication range.

Dude, I think you need to jump your mind out of the preconception rut....

It's how the Union describes the planet. I'm pretty sure the US military would find it a fairly trivial logistical problem.

True, as Louisiana is within the borders of the US. But, that's not analogous to the situation. So, thin of it in terms that are actually analogous.

Imagine that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is trying to support a supply line to Baton Rouge. Over land. Without the land between being pacified and under control.

If you prefer a European version - the equivalent is supporting a supply line from Paris to Moscow with modern overland technology. 1500 miles, traversible by 4 people in a car in one day, if they are lucky and drive fast. As a military supply line in an emergency? That would not be a good idea.

Or, do you want to try to tell us that Paris is really *local to* Moscow?

 

[Morrus]

Dude, I think you need to jump your mind out of the preconception rut....



True, as Louisiana is within the borders of the US. But, that's not analogous to the situation. So, thin of it in terms that are actually analogous.

Imagine that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is trying to support a supply line to Baton Rouge. Over land. Without the land between being pacified and under control.

If you prefer a European version - the equivalent is supporting a supply line from Paris to Moscow with modern overland technology. 1500 miles, traversible by 4 people in a car in one day, if they are lucky and drive fast. As a military supply line in an emergency? That would not be a good idea.

Or, do you want to try to tell us that Paris is really *local to* Moscow?

OK.

 

[Zardnaar]

We also don't know much in universe about there FTL drives.

In Star Wars 30 hours could get you form one side on the galaxy to the other on a good hyperlane in something like the Falcon. It took 4 hours from Tatooine to Alderaan and the Falcon- 8 hour trip .5 hyperdrive. That is almost half way across the galaxy.