What is the essence of D&D

[Garthanos]

5e removed those pesky skill challenges it will work better in an MMO that way.

 

[Zardnaar]

5e removed those pesky skill challenges it will work better in an MMO that way.

Somewhat absurd statement.

It's not really what you and Tony say it's how you say it. For example if someone doesn't like 5E or AD&D or whatever I don't care. The game may not be for them.

People tell you point blank why they don't like something and provide quotes from sources and you counter with a selection or denial.

I'm blunt and offend people, I get it from my uncle. A spades a spade its not a manual earth moving device.

It's like when you claim magical supremacy there's a big difference between say 3E and B/X.

 

[Garthanos]

Never claimed you couldn't have fun, obviously some people enjoy 4E.

We were not talking about having fun but rather if it worked at a table... that is a divergence.
I mean people obviously had fun with 1e and I didnt use more minis in 4e than I did in 1e. Carrying that graph paper around. I think that the must have larger numbers of players to be really playing the game it must not be not valid we play in the car with 2 players or three going down the road on vacation for instance.

It's a lot if time, effort and money. Even 5E minis aren't that cheap.

They are beautiful things which is the appeal to me now

 

[Garthanos]

Somewhat absurd statement.

A skill challenge is a very very hands on DM adjudicated thing... putting it in a primarily online game would be absurd behavior.

 

[Zardnaar]

We were not talking about having fun but rather if it worked at a table... that is a divergence.
I mean people obviously had fun with 1e and I didnt use more minis in 4e than I did in 1e. Carrying that graph paper around. I think that the must have larger numbers of players to be really playing the game it must not be not valid we play in the car with 2 players or three going down the road on vacation for instance.

They are beautiful things which is the appeal to me now

They are beautiful just a bit pricey and I have boxes and boxes if the old 3.5 ones.

 

[Garthanos]

and provide quotes from sources and you counter with a selection or denial.

Your source was inconsistent... it had things that explicitly called out things which were very much in D&D heritage and 4e features things new bold things which are bad as hell online.

 

[Garthanos]

And those new things which would be impossible to implement on line ... those have been removed.

 

[Zardnaar]

Your source was inconsistent... it had things that explicitly called out things which were very much in D&D heritage and 4e features things new bold things which are bad as hell online.

I can't really copy and paste entire pages in a phone.

 

[Garthanos]

Never claimed you couldn't have fun, obviously some people enjoy 4E.

That wasnt fun exactly you said it couldnt work without X

 

[Garthanos]

It's like when you claim magical supremacy there's a big difference between say 3E and B/X.

Its Tony's claim I think their is some support for it and some of it more subtle than others, but not universal. (I basically do not know B/X )