D&D 5E Am I no longer WoTC's target audience?

[Fenris-77]

@Zardnaar - Anyone who owns a hard copy of Art and Arcana gets my vote. I stand unworthy in your presence.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

@Zardnaar - Anyone who owns a hard copy of Art and Arcana gets my vote. I stand unworthy in your presence.

do i get bonus points?

I got it for christmas last year (as in, christmas 2018) from my brother and it's awesome.

 

[Fenris-77]

You get bonus points, and you get bonus points..... everyone gets bonus points!

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

For me the orcs, hobgoblins and company are the barbarian tribes from North (and East) Europe in the Roman empire age. Orcs are more like shirtless vikings.

In Dark Sun no gnomes, neither orcs nor kobolds, victims of the cleasing wars.

In Birthright neither gnomes (at least as PCs) nor orcs.

* Maybe we could see a total reboot of the crystal spheres to allow all those PC no-core races. Maybe there are "Gatetowns" what appeared for the Sundering and now they have got planar gate to Sigil or another world, for example a new continent being explored by people from Mystara Hollow World and from the Savage Coast/Red Steel.

You can see a kobold trader in the market of Newerwinter but gnolls can't live in a civilitation. These are too blood-thirsty. Good warriors but horrible to build an empire.

* Other option is to say a world was suffering a zombie Ragnarok and to save people planar gates were open to other zones. It wasn't safe, but it was an emergency and the risk was worth. Or simplely creatures from other universe started to appear in this region, in the same way of Urban Arcana.

* What happened to the iconic characters from 3.5 Ed?

 

[pemerton]

Humanocentric isn't the same as xenophobic, and I have yet to see where Gygax has said that xenophobia is a feature of the Flanaess. Heck, even hobgoblins and orcs are fairly common as mercenaries in some locations (such as the Great Kindom and its peripheries).

The idea that a setting is S&S and yet can't handle tieflings is strange to me. As far as dragonborn are concerned, the setting already has Greyhawk dragons, lizard folk, bullywugs in the Vast Swamp, etc. How is it not able to handle dragonborn?

(In other words, we're in full agreement on this. And on the strange projections onto Greyhawk being made by some posters.)

 

[pemerton]

Conversion, if one wants to do it at all right, is a bloody pain in the ass. (says he, having converted modules from every D&D edition and even non-D&D systems so I could run them in a variant of 1e)

In my experience it's not that hard at all. I've used AD&D, 3e and Bushido scenarios in Rolemaster; AD&D, B/X, 3E and HeroWars scenarios in 4e D&D; B/X and AD&D material in Burning Wheel; and probably other conversions I'm not remembering at the moment.

I think what's important in converting is knowing how you want something to play and feel in the system you're converting to.

 

[pemerton]

In these recent threads, it seems like everyone clamoring for a new Greyhawk has different ideas in mind. And many seem very rigid about what they’d accept in a GH Setting.

But as @Azzy has pointed out, some of those posters seem not to know very much about the setting. The idea that tieflings would be controversial (as opposed, to, say, nobles) in the Great Kingdom seems to display a pretty significant ignorance of the basic setting material.

 

[hawkeyefan]

But as @Azzy has pointed out, some of those posters seem not to know very much about the setting. The idea that tieflings would be controversial (as opposed, to, say, nobles) in the Great Kingdom seems to display a pretty significant ignorance of the basic setting material.

Yeah, opinions are all over the place, and seem to be influenced more by personal preference rather than what’s in the books.

Honestly, the protests to certain races seems more about keeping certain elements on the DM side of the screen.

Dragons, demons, and drow....those are toys for the DM only, for many.

 

[Fenris-77]

I don't hoard my toys. If a player wants to play a drow that's fine by me. Its an opportunity to use the Drow as a cool plot hook.

 

[pemerton]

Yeah, opinions are all over the place, and seem to be influenced more by personal preference rather than what’s in the books.

I'm seeing this a lot.

The GH folio and boxed set have the standard fantasy Europe stuff plus the "lost empires" and demon king of classic S&S. I don't know how different this is from FR, because my knowledge of FR is pretty modest. But there's nothing presented in those books that is distinctively mediaeval compared to other D&D settings (like eg the Known World in the Expert set and Isle of Dread), or especially gritty. The King of Furyondy is a high level paladin. The King of Keoland is a high level ranger, and in AD&D that means he's of good alignment. And whether the tribesmen of the Great Desert are noble warriors, dangerous hordes or just set dressing seems to me to be left as a matter for the GM and play.

Honestly, the protests to certain races seems more about keeping certain elements on the DM side of the screen.

Dragons, demons, and drow....those are toys for the DM only, for many.

That's a nice analysis.