Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

Sadras

Legend
I know! I was thrilled.

Edit: It also helped that much of the characters were more likeable in Season Two...

Speaking about characters (IMO)
1. They gave the protagonist less screen time and it wasn't always about her angst.
2. They also did not ruin Christopher Pike the same way they ruined Gabriel Lorca.
3. There was more to build on thanks to the previous season.
 

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Sadras

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“Toxic fan culture” refers to something very specific.

What I'm afraid is happening, is that many real concerns of many fans for various genres do not seem to matter to a few Hollywood types. Only the bottom line matters for obvious reasons. So from a fan perspective the big corporate pushes on in willful ignorance fueling this toxic fan culture.

From my perspective those HW types live in a bubble without any concern of the fandom. The clearest example of this are the two Ferengians who made GoT. Personally, I would happily see those two individuals burn online given their absolute apathy towards the fans and any criticism of their show.
 
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Hussar

Legend
I'm sorry, I didn't follow GoT at all (yeah, yeah, turn in my geek cred card at the door :( ) but, from what I understood, GoT was insanely popular. What was the issue?
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I'm sorry, I didn't follow GoT at all (yeah, yeah, turn in my geek cred card at the door :( ) but, from what I understood, GoT was insanely popular. What was the issue?

The ending/last two seasons.

It started going downhill season 5 but the last two seasons were rushed espicially the last one.

The pacing was off, rushed, probably unsatisfied ending.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
What I'm afraid is happening, is that many real concerns of many fans for various genres do not seem to matter to a few Hollywood types.
Again, that is not what 'toxic fan culture' means. I've explained it, like three times now. It has nothing to do with that.
 

Sadras

Legend
I'm sorry, I didn't follow GoT at all (yeah, yeah, turn in my geek cred card at the door :( ) but, from what I understood, GoT was insanely popular. What was the issue?

Don't worry if we have to turn our geek card in at the door I would be first with SW. I watched Rogue One, it wasn't what I wanted from SW and I knew Disney would not be able to deliver/cater for my likes so I didn't watch anything after that. Heard about all the blowback from both sides. What a hot mess.
From what I heard and could be mistaken, it seemed like the person in charge went in without a plan for the 3 movies.

Anyways back to GoT. It was not just that the last few seasons were bad (and they were bad) - it was the absolute ABSOLUTE apathy and sheer SHEER arrogance of the two show runners i.e. what they were saying in interviews as well as interviews they purposefuly dropped out from. SW fans can be grateful these two were cut from any SW projects. Those two deserve everything they got and keep getting online. That is the way I feel.

With regards to Picard. I was disappointed. The story they wanted to tell was not bad and they did try to plug an interesting hole I had never thought of before about the absence of andriods/synths not existing within the ST universe. The inter-connectivity (forced relationship) with everyone involved with the synths was a little over the top but what you gonna do. HW seems to be filled with a plethora of average writers of late...so many shows I have stopped watching because of that. It forces one to try out European movies and series instead which is the silver lining.

So last year I watched the Ghostbuster movie on Netflix in a casual relaxed unassuming environment (which I think plays a huge role in one's opinion on a movie). I liked the cameos and I actually didn't mind it - but I can see how fans of the originals may take issue with it.
Now funny enough, my reaction to The Hustle, a Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake, was much much stronger. The Hustle for me failed in almost EVERY regard and I like Anne Hathaway - but seriously how could they try to match the two ladies to Steve Martin and Michael Caine which latter two were already giants by the time they made that movie.

It is different for everyone and the circumstances one watches the movie in plays a major role.
For instance, I watched Iron Man II as part of a massive marathon so that I could watch Avengers & Endgame and I actually was much less critical of it the second time round. I actually surprised myself in this regard.
 



Hussar

Legend
Yeah, @Sadras, I can totally understand that. I watched Solo and thought the same thing as you thought with Ghostbusters. It was a fun movie and I enjoyed it and so did my girls. Which makes all the storm und drang over it just seem so strange. I'm so far removed from fandom that most of the hype, positive and negative, totally passes me by.
 

MarkB

Legend
This as I kid I didn't get Khan, probably because I didn't know who Khan was.
Pretty much nobody knew who Khan was. He appeared in one episode of the original series, and at the time the movie came out, pretty much the only cheap and accessible way to catch up on old episodes was to hope they happened to be re-run on TV.
 

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