D&D and the rising pandemic

[abirdcall]

I'm going to be a contrarian:
The recovered Corona patients are a valuable resource. We need to study the antibodies with a goal of building out Corona-resistance throughout the general population. Ideally, that would mean vaccines. But more likely getting a shot of antibodies. What we will have to live with for a while is the idea that if you do get it, the chance of needing a hospital is exceedingly small, and the likelihood of needing Intensive Care is so small that our usual preparations for Flu Season are about the needed scale for the influx of patients. Medically-fragile people are going to have to hang out with each other while staying away from people who can 'take a hit' but get back up again. And vice versa.

So far we've been looking at this from the Medical point of view. But we need to get more broad-minded and consider Supply Chain problems: where will the new masks, gowns, malaria-drug pills come from when we use up the stocks in the hospitals' Supply Room now? Somebody is going to have to make them - alas that the Fabricate spell is only a thing in our imagination - and that means people out around each other again. Working. You know, operating the economy.

One other bit: Coronaviruses and humanity are going to share the planet for as far as anybody can foresee. Our response cannot be built around the idea "never let it touch me ever!" We can deal with the Common Cold, with influenza, with the other sicknesses that viruses similar to Corona cause. We have to be able to deal with this one too.

Canadian economists disagree with you. It's not just the moral thing to do, it is the most economical thing to do too.

Here is a model released today plotting the timeline of the pandemic.

As you can see with strict controls we can open up sooner rather than later. If we open up too soon then it's just going to get out of control again.

Better to do it all the way now and then get things fully underway again mid-late Summer.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

44 new cases today, yesterday was 29. Second death 90 yo women. 1st one was 70 year old.

We had 34 new cases and 2 new deaths. That brings our totals to 1370 cases (of which 838 have recovered) and 50 deaths. (Like I mentioned before, many of our early cases caused outbreaks in care facilities, unfortunately.)

BC population is also similar to New Zealand, I believe - We have 5 million. I think NZ has 4.8M?

 

[Zardnaar]

We had 34 new cases and 2 new deaths. That brings our totals to 1370 cases (of which 838 have recovered) and 50 deaths. (Like I mentioned before, many of our early cases caused outbreaks in care facilities, unfortunately.)

BC population is also similar to New Zealand, I believe - We have 5 million. I think NZ has 4.8M?

4.9 they screwed the census up.

They're not sure how many are here give or take a few hundred thousand. We have a housing crisis and based on supermarket consumption of food it's probably 5 million or 5.1 million.

There's 100k visas running out in the next 3 months and another 400k on longer visas.
It's probably 4.9 maybe 5 million idk.

Alot of tourists stuck, think it's 100k with 12k German's.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

We had 34 new cases and 2 new deaths. That brings our totals to 1370 cases (of which 838 have recovered) and 50 deaths. (Like I mentioned before, many of our early cases caused outbreaks in care facilities, unfortunately.)

BC population is also similar to New Zealand, I believe - We have 5 million. I think NZ has 4.8M?

I mentioned before that I am in the state of Virginia, so here are some numbers just for here. With a population of about 8.5 million, there are currently just over 4000 confirmed cases, with only 109 deaths so far. And like New York state, nearly half of our cases are clumped around a major urban center, in this case Washington DC. Then another large chunk of cases are along the Interstate-95 corridor and between that and the coast. Away from DC and west of 95, life could almost be considered normal, but that is probably because our governor was one of the first to close all the schools and limit business activity, which helped to slow the spread into the more rural parts of the state. My city is around 75-80k pop and has 21 confirmed cases right now.

 

[Imaculata]

Just yesterday I saw the most astounding thing. People buying a new grill and carpet. Seriously?! The government sends out a stay at home request, and to only go out for bare essentials, and people still go shopping for a new grill and do home renovations?! Well I hope that new grill is worth it. Because some of those people in the same store may end up dead because you wanted to have a barbeque.

At the risk of getting us all flagged for religious talk, that is fine with me. But then, I am Agnostic to almost Atheist, so the fewer religious fanatics in the world, the better the world is to me.

But all those fools gathering in a church during a deadly epidemic are not just going to infect themselves, but also others, like you and me.

People should be avoiding any social gatherings right now, and not just churches. For states to make an exemption for churches, is down right criminal. It is a death sentence for many people.

That’s the key message, and that isn’t reaching some people.

The head football coach at OSU is already talking about getting his guys back on campus. I’m paraphrasing- they’re young & healthy and can shrug it off.

Because he’s a football genius of sorts, nobody has pushed back with they’re young & healthy and can pass it along to others with ease.

A lot of governments world wide have failed to communicate this clearly. Just because younger people aren't high risk, does not mean they are at no risk. Just a few weeks ago, a 20 year old died in my town from COVID19. And a few weeks earlier a 16 year old had to be hospitilized and kept in an artifical coma for several weeks (he got better fortunately). Just because you're not in the high risk group, does not mean this virus can't kill you. It has already killed several people who were young and in good health.

Plus, as you correctly pointed out, you can still spread it to others.

 

[Zardnaar]

Just yesterday I saw the most astounding thing. People buying a new grill and carpet. Seriously?! The government sends out a stay at home request, and to only go out for bare essentials, and people still go shopping for a new grill and do home renovations?! Well I hope that new grill is worth it. Because some of those people in the same store may end up dead because you wanted to have a barbeque.



But all those fools gathering in a church during a deadly epidemic are not just going to infect themselves, but also others, like you and me.

People should be avoiding any social gatherings right now, and not just churches. For states to make an exemption for churches, it down right criminal. It is a death sentence for many people.



A lot of governments world wide have failed to communicate this clearly. Just because younger people aren't high risk, does not mean they are at no risk. Just a few weeks ago, a 20 year old died in my town from COVID19. And a few weeks earlier a 16 year old had to be hospitilized and kept in an artifical coma for several weeks (he got better fortunately). Just because you're not in the high risk group, does not mean this virus can't kill you. It has already killed several people who were young and in good health.

Plus, as you correctly pointed out, you can still spread it to others.

As I said you guys aren't in serious lockdown. They didn't want people going to the beaches, holiday homes etc.

They had cops on roadblocks here to restrict traffic for Easter.

We were gonna go to Christchurch for Easter then a river, then patted the cat and watching Netflix.

Getting lots of practice cooking.

 

[Umbran]

No, it is more the fanatics, like I said. The type more likely to shoot non-believers than to shake their hand.

Mod Note:

Please stop the religious commentary, or you will have to be removed from this discussion. Thank you.

 

[tomBitonti]

The latest (10-Apr-20, 10 AM EDT) at United States Coronavirus: 469,464 Cases and 16,711 Deaths - Worldometer seems to be showing a steady state for new cases in the US over the last few days.

My very speculative conclusion is that the current social distancing is enough to prevent exponential spread, but only just that. Which would mean either continuing current practices for quite a while -- until spreading slows because a large enough proportion of people have been infected — or enacting more severe distancing practices.

Edit: This is an interesting read: https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
While I don‘t understand the medical terminology in sections, the report is mostly comprehensible. I found page 12 — describing the disease in detail — and page 21 — recommendations for infected countries — to be good reads.

Be safe and be well,
Tom Bitonti

 

[FrogReaver]

The latest (10-Apr-20, 10 AM EDT) at United States Coronavirus: 469,464 Cases and 16,711 Deaths - Worldometer seems to be showing a steady state for new cases in the US over the last few days.

My very speculative conclusion is that the current social distancing is enough to prevent exponential spread, but only just that. Which would mean either continuing current practices for quite a while -- until spreading slows because a large enough proportion of people have been infected — or enacting more severe distancing practices.

Edit: This is an interesting read: https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
While I don‘t understand the medical terminology in sections, the report is mostly comprehensible. I found page 12 — describing the disease in detail — and page 21 — recommendations for infected countries — to be good reads.

Be safe and be well,
Tom Bitonti

deaths follow social distancing by a week or 2. I think we will see the deaths per day start to lower in the next few days in the U.S.

I’m seriously questioning even the current 60,000 number. I’m thinking more like 40,000.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I see good leadership,

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No country or scientist or doctor has all the answers about the COVID-19 pandemic that has swept the globe. Tiny Iceland may have more than most.

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I see bad leadership,
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