D&D and the rising pandemic

[Umbran]

I don't know how you inform the misinformed. How do you convince a stubborn person they're wrong?

As Danny has noted - how you manage this starts with you recognizing that the issue you have to deal with is not "misinformed". It is not "stubborn". The issue is more, "has a different belief system". You are engaging in bringing a person to choose to change their fundamental beliefs, the axioms upon which the assumptions of their lives are based, and their decisions made. That is a tall order.

 

[Umbran]

Hm. This does not prove that we will be immune, or that a vaccine will be along shortly, but... it gives some hopeful notes.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Zardnaar]

Do a search for “rabbi converts Neo-Nazi”, or “black man converts klansmen”. You’ll find several stories.

The details differ, but one common denominator is that in each case, it took time and a willingness to talk with- not shout at- someone who might ge willing to kill you.

It‘s not a path that works all the time. It’s not a skill or mindset that everyone has. Even those who DO have that in them may not be able to muster the strength to exercise it every time- all humans have limits.

This. You can't tell them they're wrong or lecture them.

Takes 1-3 years if immersion in NZ culture to convert an American to a kiwi.

Otherwise it's more a hands on thing. A lot of people want acceptence or someone to hang out with.

We had a gun toting AR-15 young fella from Alabama crying at his good bye party here. Kiwis accepted him and put up with some of his dumber comments when he got off the plane. Had a Maori girlfriend lol. He wasn't racist though just more Freedom!!!

He noticed when he was off his face on acid and pot and a cop (no gun) helped him out and wished him a good night at 3am in town.

NZ cops a lot more casual I suppose. 4:20 protesters have had smoke ups in the police station 0 arrests.

Hands on personal effort and/or remove them from their environment. Had a mate once grew up rough. He would stay the weekend and go home 6 weeks later.

Posting online and posing on Twitter complete waste of time.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

IDK. I think any line of communication you can keep open is good.

One of the conversion stories involved the Rabbi fielding phone calls from a single Neo-Nazi tormentor for months. Somehow, he maintained his calm, and kept talking.

It was ages before they eventually met face to face.

I can’t help but think if those events were moved to sometime in the last few days, the harassment might have included hateful messages via Facebook or other social media. And I‘d like to think the Rabbi’s calm engagement would still prove as powerful via the Internet as it was over the phone.

 

[Hussar]

Well, my daughter heads back to school tomorrow. Fingers crossed. There hasn't been a case in my ken (think province, but, really about the size of a county) for a couple of weeks which makes me feel good. I know my uni students are going to keep doing online classes until mid July. Sigh. Oh, I guess I should mention that this is the beginning of the school year here in Japan, not the end.

Really, for Japan, the timing was kind of fortunate. They closed schools a few week early, but, all the exames and other nonsense was already done. Now they're just starting a bit late and losing some holidays. Not too bad that way.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[ad_hoc]

I think not tolerating certain behaviours is the best course of action.

If people behave horribly don't be friends with them.

If people don't put up with their behaviour then they need to either change or continue being alone.

You can't force people to change.

The best thing to do instead is to support their victims. Use your energy on supporting the vulnerable people in your community instead.

 

[Umbran]

I think not tolerating certain behaviours is the best course of action.

So, on EN World, if we tell you that a behavior isn't tolerated, that means a few rather specific things can happen - you can get warning points, be removed from a thread, or banned from the site for some period of time.

More broadly, though, it is not clear what "not tolerating certain behaviors" means. "Not tolerate" is not a specific course of action.

 

[Zardnaar]

What we did. Washington Post is behind a paywall bit some articles turn up here for free.

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Only one new case found in last week or so.

 

[ad_hoc]

So, on EN World, if we tell you that a behavior isn't tolerated, that means a few rather specific things can happen - you can get warning points, be removed from a thread, or banned from the site for some period of time.

More broadly, though, it is not clear what "not tolerating certain behaviors" means. "Not tolerate" is not a specific course of action.

My life isn't a message board.

If someone is being harmful I tell them to stop. If they don't then they're out of my life.

I expect the same from my friends.

 

[Umbran]

If someone is being harmful I tell them to stop. If they don't then they're out of my life.

Are we talking about the same things? Because I thought we were talking about people who are stubbornly rejecting the reality of the situation. So they are not social distancing, refusing to wear masks, and such.

It it all well and good if you sweep such people from your social media circles, and not having them in your life*. I am all for folks curating who they have in their lives. But, for all that removal... they are still out there exhaling on other people. This stubbornness is making them a public health risk, and they are actively making others into health risks.

"You may go about what you were doing without my interference!" is not taking a great stand against a bad behavior, is it? "Stop! Or... I won't even so much as tell you to stop again!" doesn't seem terribly intolerant.




I dunno about you, but the only person *physically in my life right now is my wife. So, we are talking about... unfriending them on Facebook and such?