D&D (2024) (+) New Edition Changes for Inclusivity (discuss possibilities)

[Chaosmancer]

When one has a genuine moral or faith based objection to something that is not bigotry or phobia.

and going back to my point, that alone should be enough to understand where people come from when they say “what about the children”.

If your morality or faith dismisses someone for what they are, with no regard to them as a person, but as simply a single aspect of them that you don't like....

Well, I will note that Religions change all the time over the course of history, and sometimes for very good reasons.

 

[FrogReaver]

If your morality or faith dismisses someone for what they are, with no regard to them as a person, but as simply a single aspect of them that you don't like....

Well, I will note that Religions change all the time over the course of history, and sometimes for very good reasons.

I cannot have this discussion here. You may private message me though.

 

[Umbran]

Instead of trying to understand the issues, why not simply fix the problem in front of you and move on? Otherwise, we waste so much time trying to "understand the driving principles" that we never actually resolve any issues.

It is weird, because... folks have already set forth the basic solution.

Proceed in creation with scholarship, empathy, consideration, and the support of people who know better than you what issues are. Get members of other cultures involved in your development. Engage sensitivity readers. For older works, do the same, as time and resources allow. Add in context for those things that are found to be troublesome.

This is not rocket science or brain surgery.

 

[Azzy]

When one has a genuine moral or faith based objection to something that is not bigotry or phobia.

The definition of the word bigotry makes to exemptions for those that believe that their bigotry is moral or religiously mandated. Religion and other ideologies have been used as justifications for many immoral things under the guise of "morality", from religious wars, treating other humans as less than human and thus deserving of being bred into slavery, and so on. If I were to do something awful, saying that I'm justified by my religion for doing so won't make it any less awful.

 

[FrogReaver]

The definition of the word bigotry makes to exemptions for those that believe that their bigotry is moral or religiously mandated. Religion and other ideologies have been used as justifications for many immoral things under the guise of "morality", from religious wars, treating other humans as less than human and thus deserving of being bred into slavery, and so on. If I were to do something awful, saying that I'm justified by my religion for doing so won't make it any less awful.

As umbran already pointed out, Having this debate is Against the rule.

feel free to pm me though.

 

[Umbran]

The aspersions on the morality of LGBTQ+ people had already been cast.

Mod note:
sigh

Don't argue with moderation in-thread.

And, I state recognizing the irony - if you think "eye for an eye" is acceptable here... you are wrong.

 

[FrogReaver]

It is weird, because... folks have already set forth the basic solution.

Proceed in creation with scholarship, empathy, consideration, and the support of people who know better than you what issues are. Get members of other cultures involved in your development. Engage sensitivity readers. For older works, do the same, as time and resources allow. Add in context for those things that are found to be troublesome.

This is not rocket science or brain surgery.

maybe it’s the nitty gritty details of that solution that are an issue?

 

[Wishbone]

It is weird, because... folks have already set forth the basic solution.

Proceed in creation with scholarship, empathy, consideration, and the support of people who know better than you what issues are. Get members of other cultures involved in your development. Engage sensitivity readers. For older works, do the same, as time and resources allow. Add in context for those things that are found to be troublesome.

This is not rocket science or brain surgery.

Once people agree on first principles deciding on how to implement a solution becomes the next hurdle. No less because WotC needs to anticipate what the world might look like when 6E gets released.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Well he introduced it to the world at large, I'd personally argue that's as important, if not more so, than inventing it.



Have you ever had the fear that the people you care about couldn't give a damn about what you think?
Apply that to a cosmic scale.

But the notion of applying that to a cosmic scale is wholly absurd, to me. I can’t do it. The cosmos at large is an infinite landscape that has nothing at all to do with me.

 

[jmartkdr2]

But the notion of applying that to a cosmic scale is wholly absurd, to me. I can’t do it. The cosmos at large is an infinite landscape that has nothing at all to do with me.

I think there's a cultural context to it that you just don't share: Finding out the universe (God, really) doesn't care about you is only scary if you already thought it (He) did. If you didn't start from that point of view, the whole "horrifying realization" thing falls apart.

Put another way - if you're Jewish, finding out Santa isn't real doesn't hurt as much.