D&D 5E Paladin/Hexblade+Options

[Zardnaar]

You're running an aquatic campaign and he wants to be a Triton.

Im not seeing how he's not 'getting with the program' here.

Even if the Tritons are the bad guys, that's no different to a PC wanting to play a good Drow in an Underdark campaign. It's rife with roleplaying opportunities.

No it's a happy pirates campaign. If I was running an aquatic campaign the Triton would be fine.

They get around a few environmental challenges to easily. I've got some explore ship wrecks and underwater adventures coming up along with a Triton encounter or so.

Same reason I wouldn't allow a Warforged on Athas. They get around some of the campaign challenges a bit to easy.

 

[Flamestrike]

No it's a happy pirates campaign. If I was running an aquatic campaign the Triton would be fine.

They get around a few environmental challenges to easily.

A Triton is entirely appropriate for a maritime campaign.

What environmental challenges?

Water breathing is literally a 3rd level spell (with the Ritual tag) that lasts all day long, doesn't use a slot and is available on the Druid, Ranger, Sorcerer and Wizard list. Plus any Druid who can literally wild-shape into a fish.

The guy can swim and breath water early. Good for him. For my campaigns, that would be encouraged. It would be a feature of the campaign and not a bug.

Like; I actively encourage players to play characters that will shine in my adventures. Undead heavy campaign and you want to play an Undead slayer Cleric Paladin? Please do!

 

[Zardnaar]

A Triton is entirely appropriate for a maritime campaign.

What environmental challenges?

Water breathing is literally a 3rd level spell (with the Ritual tag) that lasts all day long, doesn't use a slot and is available on the Druid, Ranger, Sorcerer and Wizard list. Plus any Druid who can literally wild-shape into a fish.

The guy can swim and breath water early. Good for him. For my campaigns, that would be encouraged. It would be a feature of the campaign and not a bug.

Like; I actively encourage players to play characters that will shine in my adventures. Undead heavy campaign and you want to play an Undead slayer Cleric Paladin? Please do!

Problem is he's only 1 PC.

Water breathing doesn't have a swim speed and can be dispelled.

So his racial features are either useless or he can effectively fly and outshine everyone else.

In the one game I've played he seems a bit more all about me than the team. Eg he was suggesting people do stuff to help him out which undermines the ranged characters.

And yeah bad experiences in previous games when someone has significant mobility advantages over everyone else.

He's also rolled really high stats and the Tritons 3 +1 may as well be be 3 +2's.

He was directly told to not deliberately build a bad character but not to min/max to much at the other end.

His stats would be something like 14, 1616,18 and wants to marry up class from Xanathars, MC it and have a race that gets around a few challenges I've got planned.

He'll be good at range, melee, key everything off charisma, and have a build that shuts down a lot of things.

I can see others getting frustrated with that.

 

[Flamestrike]

Problem is he's only 1 PC.

Water breathing doesn't have a swim speed and can be dispelled.

So his racial features are either useless or he can effectively fly and outshine everyone else.

In the one game I've played he seems a bit more all about me than the team. Eg he was suggesting people do stuff to help him out which undermines the ranged characters.

And yeah bad experiences in previous games when someone has significant mobility advantages over everyone else.

Every PC can swim (or 'fly' underwater). Its simply difficult terrain if they lack a swim speed:

Climbing, Swimming, and Crawling

While climbing or swimming, each foot of movement costs 1 extra foot (2 extra feet in difficult terrain), unless a creature has a climbing or swimming speed. At the GM’s option, climbing a slippery vertical surface or one with few handholds requires a successful Strength (Athletics) check. Similarly, gaining any distance in rough water might require a successful Strength (Athletics) check.

And who cares if he's only 1 PC? He isnt exactly going to be swimming off on his own at low level is he (and if he does, he deserves everything he gets).

Honestly, I think you're being totally unreasonable with your reaction to his PC choices in race and in class.

If he's a problem player (with problem behaviour at the table), that can better be addressed elsewhere, rather than this way.

 

[Zardnaar]

Every PC can swim (or 'fly' underwater). Its simply difficult terrain if they lack a swim speed:



And who cares if he's only 1 PC? He isnt exactly going to be swimming off on his own at low level is he (and if he does, he deserves everything he gets).

Honestly, I think you're being totally unreasonable with your reaction to his PC choices in race and in class.

If he's a problem player (with problem behaviour at the table), that can better be addressed elsewhere, rather than this way.

I also told him when he asked what races allowed I said phb only you can request non phb stuff. Oh phb plus yuant ti and Warforged.

I've built the world around the politics and interactions of the phb races.

 

[Flamestrike]

I also told him when he asked what races allowed I said phb only you can request non phb stuff. Oh phb plus yuant ti and Warforged.

I've built the world around the politics and interactions of the phb races.

Well that's fine then if you want to limit it to PHB races only. And it's also fine that he asked as well (you invited him to).

Your reasons for saying No though seem to be more focussed on 'hes a trouble player and its ZOMG broken' rather than narrative fluff though.

Like; Tritons exist in your world, and have politics attached. You could easily work him in as a refugee from that Triton culture, an exiled Lord (like Aquaman) or whatever, and from there develop tons of story hooks for him and the group.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well that's fine then if you want to limit it to PHB races only. And it's also fine that he asked as well (you invited him to).

Your reasons for saying No though seem to be more focussed on 'hes a trouble player and its ZOMG broken' rather than narrative fluff though.

Like; Tritons exist in your world, and have politics attached. You could easily work him in as a refugee from that Triton culture, an exiled Lord (like Aquaman) or whatever, and from there develop tons of story hooks for him and the group.

As I said PHB plus Yuan Ti and Warforged anything else ask.

Triton I said no.

 

[Flamestrike]

As I said PHB plus Yuan Ti and Warforged anything else ask.

Triton I said no.

I get you said No.

But my point was you said No for the wrong reasons.

 

[Zardnaar]

I get you said No.

But my point was you said No for the wrong reasons.

I wanted a focus on those races and yeah he missed session 0.

 

[Flamestrike]

I wanted a focus on those races and yeah he missed session 0.

I get that, but your reasons for saying 'No' as expressed in this thread were mostly 'ZOMG Broken/ trouble player/ avoids environmental challenges'.

Personally, I would have allowed it (with an appropriate back-story) that I could have then worked into my 'Tritons are the bad guys' story line.

Heck, with a good enough backstory (he's secretly the exiled goodly king of the Triton race) I would have handed him a Magical Trident as a symbol of his kingship that does Longsword damage (piercing) and re-fluffed Hexblade around his bond with this weapon.

You now have a happy player invested in advancing the story.