Wonder Woman Out Dec 16th

[Zardnaar]

I didn't say that it wasn't well accepted. I said that it wasn't very good, so the former was a little puzzling to me. I, again, chalked it up to at least being quite a bit better than any previous DCEU efforts, the moment in which it came out, and how much it really needed to be successful. I suspect that history will be less kind to it, but that is mere speculation.

As to the Tomato, well, there's no accounting for taste. I'd imagine that that 84% audience rating is even lower than it ought to be, given the nature of review bombing and the types of products those actions tend to target. But they're also similar to the Tomato scores for Skyfall, an incredibly beloved Bond film that I considered to be total rubbish. So maybe I'm the weirdo (fwiw, I only thought the first WW was so-so, my partner loathed it).

Or maybe I'm bitter that it stole all the acclaim and adoration that the previous year's far superior but never given half a chance Ghostbusters reboot. Maybe the world was more ready to accept a female-led genre action movie with an incredibly physically attractive actress despite barely being able to emote while speaking. Maybe Feig hired the wrong Chris. Maybe they needed even more stupidly cartoonish villains. Maybe the action in the climax was a little too easy to follow. Maybe the world wasn't (and still isn't) ready to accept Kristen Wiig as a major star. Or maybe the intervening year and all that happened in it led audiences to be much more committed to allowing the movie to succeed.

I'd guess it's that last one, but the world will probably never know.

In any case, now that the future of female led (and female directed) genre films is more or less secure at this point, it does offer a bit of schadenfreude to watch the sequel taken to task for many of the same issues that, frankly, were wrong with the first one too (hell, WW84 even has actual somewhat compelling villains, rather than the Saturday morning cartoon villains of its predecessor, this time around too!) If it hadn't gone out of its way to crap all over the Middle East for no adequately explored reason, it might have even been better. By a little bit. Again, low bar

Rotten Tomatoes is crap lol. Ghostbusters was rubbish and a reboot while we was somewhat original.

First one was fun, second one ok.

You're gonna have your hits and misses much like any other genre.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

There was nothing hyperbolic in my reply.

I made a comment that we won’t return to exactly the status quo pre-COVID, and you replied as if I’d suggested that everyone will still be quarantining themselves post-COVID, for no real reason. That’s hyperbolic, at best.

They should refuse to accept them, because they would not be a smart, science-based response to the issue. But that's probably a discussion for the pandemic thread, not this one.

Should has no relationship whatsoever with what will happen, especially if your definition of should in relation to human activity is, somewhat absurdly, centered on logical responses to experiences that have been varying tiers of traumatic, for large swaths of the population.

Which is what my laughing reply is aimed at, if you were wondering. The silly notion that people will, much less should, respond to a vaccine being widely spread by getting over a years worth of trauma and caution, and go back to pre-COVID disregard for the dangers of gathering densely in public with strangers on a regular basis.

And feel free to argue seriously that people should return to what was already a dangerous level of apathy toward the dangers of such gatherings.

 

[Gradine]

Okay, so maybe I am missing something. This started with you saying:

"Yeah, I'm wondering if it's just DCEU films being graded on a curve. The first film coasted basically on the fact that it really needed to succeed..."

Perhaps I got the wrong thing. So, let me ask explicitly:

What is IT? You are wondering if WHAT is just DCEU films being graded on a curve?

And what did the first film coast by, on the fact that it needed to succeed?

Because from where I sit, you seem to be basically complaining that there's some mystery in how millions of people can like a movie you don't.

My confusion is the mystery of how millions of people can like a movie that really isn't very good. Like I said, I've got a number of theories, one of those being ME being the weirdo

 

[Morrus]

My confusion is the mystery of how millions of people can like a movie that really isn't very good. Like I said, I've got a number of theories, one of those being ME being the weirdo

I mean, I wouldn't use that term, but when you're the lone voice crying out in the wilderness, that usually means it's you not everybody else.

WW1 was pretty good (until the end fight, which I think we can all agree was a CGI mess). It may not have been a masterpiece, but it was a decent flick.

 

[Gradine]

I mean, I wouldn't use that term, but when you're the lone voice crying out in the wilderness, that usually means it's you not everybody else.

WW1 was pretty good (until the end fight, which I think we can all agree was a CGI mess). It may not have been a masterpiece, but it was a decent flick.

I mean, I know quite a few people who were as lukewarm on it as me, and several more that hated it as much as my partner. Doesn't mean we aren't still puzzled by it.

 

[Zardnaar]

My confusion is the mystery of how millions of people can like a movie that really isn't very good. Like I said, I've got a number of theories, one of those being ME being the weirdo

You're not the weirdo, movies, beer and pizza for example very subjective.

 

[Argyle King]

I think WW1 (which was okay*) also benefited from being the first DC movie which was widely seen as enjoyable. Arguably, it also benefitted from coming out at a time when offering criticism toward the movie may have marked someone with some sort of negative label: for reference, look at Captain Marvel**.

The disappointing thing for me about WW84 is that I thought it would take the momentum (and good things) from the first movie and push further. Instead, I see it as a step backward. With Aquaman and Shazam having been enjoyable, I was hoping that WW would be part of a new direction forward for DC (especially at a time when I suspect Marvel movies might start to fall in quality).

*I enjoyed it. Though -like many others- I felt the ending was pretty bad. In hindsight, I still view it as an alright movie, but (for me) it gets less good as I think about it more.
**Which I felt was a lesser quality of movie than WW by far, but saying that (or much of anything negative about CM) allegedly meant that the person making the criticism was anti-women or some other cultural scarlet letter.

 

[pming]

Hiya!

I had high hopes for it. Then I watched Angry Joe's review (Angry Joe is a guy on Youtube I watch every now and then; his movie and video game takes align fairly often with mine).

After watching AJ... I'm not touching WW'84 with a 84' pole!

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Morrus]

I mean, I know quite a few people who were as lukewarm on it as me, and several more that hated it as much as my partner. Doesn't mean we aren't still puzzled by it.

Well now the story's changing! But millions vs. several, the principle still applies; the scale hasn't really changed there. I mean, it just means you and your friends don't have mainstream tastes, I guess. Maybe that's why you're friends?

I really like Man of Steel and it's in my top 5 superhero movies. I'm aware that not many people seem to share my opinion. People like different things!

 

[payn]

Hiya!

I had high hopes for it. Then I watched Angry Joe's review (Angry Joe is a guy on Youtube I watch every now and then; his movie and video game takes align fairly often with mine).

After watching AJ... I'm not touching WW'84 with a 84' pole!

^_^

Paul L. Ming

I didnt think much of WW84, but man, Id rather watch it all over again than take another 5 min of Angry Joe screaming about nothing.