D&D 5E What is the appeal of the weird fantasy races?

[Maxperson]

I'm not trying to shut you up, but you are presenting issues that only exist because you created them.

I've created no issues. I've identified issues that were already there. Some of you don't care about those issues. Some of us do.

If you are going to say that running a centaur PC is difficult, because they are a large creature, well, that is something you homebrewed them to be, because the only rules for PC Centaurs have them as medium.

It's not a home brew. It's RAW. The rules I am using, and they ARE rules, are on page 38 of the MM. I can use the rules on page 47 to allow a death knight PC as well. The existence of new alternate rules does not invalidate older rules.

So discussing how you would create a situation, and then how that situation is cause for them to be banned or have to deal with extra hardships doesn't really make a lot of sense.

It makes perfect sense and saying that we shouldn't be discussing how centaurs SHOULD be, just because they involve problems I've identified is trying and are not confined to the Ravnica centaur rules is trying to shut me up. Discussing changes/alternate rules is a valid part of discussing what a centaur should or should not be able to do.

 

[Chaosmancer]

It’s pretty absurd to imagine humans being incapable of being outside those heights. I’d think that any DM that thinks centaurs climbing things can’t be born would also reject that out of hand. This thread is weird.

Like you said, this thread is weird

 

[Chaosmancer]

I've created no issues. I've identified issues that were already there. Some of you don't care about those issues. Some of us do.

The issues of Centaur player characters being large do not exist. Large, playable Centaurs do not exist. You need to homebrew those. Unless you can quote me a 5e book that has the racial stats for a large centaur playable race.

And the DMG toolkit for homebrewing a race doesn't count, because that is homebrewing, which is exactly what I am claiming you are doing.

It's not a home brew. It's RAW. The rules I am using, and they ARE rules, are on page 38 of the MM. I can use the rules on page 47 to allow a death knight PC as well. The existence of new alternate rules does not invalidate older rules.

There is no rule in the game that allows you to use a Monster from the Monster Manual as a player character race.

Doing so is homebrewing. Monster Manual statblocks are the purview of the DM, not the players.

It makes perfect sense and saying that we shouldn't be discussing how centaurs SHOULD be, just because they involve problems I've identified is trying and are not confined to the Ravnica centaur rules is trying to shut me up. Discussing changes/alternate rules is a valid part of discussing what a centaur should or should not be able to do.

Discussing your homebrew is not discussing how centaurs "should be". That is discussing how you think they should be, and how you homebrewed them to be.

And again, if you want to homebrew, that is entirely in your rights to do so. A fact you know since you believe in the "DM is the Ultimate Authority" model. But, if you homebrew that centaurs as a playable race are large, and then begin laying out the challenges they face for being large, you have created the very scenario causing those challenges.


Just like if you homebrew that Elves are true fey and hate the feel of iron and steel, you then really don't have a leg to stand on saying that Elves make poor fighters because they can't use armor and weapons. You made them poor fighters by homebrewing them to be poor fighters. The issues and challenges end and begin with your choices.

 

[Maxperson]

So a miniature centaur? Maybe call it a minitaur?

Those already exist in D&D. Castle Greyhawk had a parody level complete with Minitaurs, Solid Gas Spores, Gelatinous Discs, Crettins and more

2 Minitaurs: AC 6; Move 12"; HD 1 +2; hp 10,9; NAT l; Dmg ld6; THACO 18; AL CN. These are two very hungry minitaurs and they've staked out their claim. If the characters make any hostile gestures or approach the barrels, then the minitaurs attack, trying to drive off the invaders

 

[Maxperson]

There is no rule in the game that allows you to use a Monster from the Monster Manual as a player character race.

Doing so is homebrewing. Monster Manual statblocks are the purview of the DM, not the players.

Sucks to be a druid now. And I guess no companions for rangers. RAW lets the DM use MM races as PCs if he wants.

Discussing your homebrew is not discussing how centaurs "should be". That is discussing how you think they should be,

How I think they should be is part of discussing how centaurs should be. How is it possible that you don't understand that?

 

[Scott Christian]

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[Swarmkeeper]

RAW lets the DM use MM races as PCs if he wants.

So... what is homebrew to you, @Maxperson?

 

[Minigiant]

I, for one, support a miniature, humaniod size, giant race.

 

[Maxperson]

So... what is homebrew to you, @Maxperson?

Meh! Tired grumpy staying up until midnight me was being stubborn. That would be homebrew. I still maintain, though, that in a discussion about what centaurs should and should not be able to do and not interpretation of RAW, homebrew changes are a valid part of the discussion. As is the reasoning behind it.

 

[Gammadoodler]

I, for one, support a miniature, humaniod size, giant race.

Sure, but what would we call it?