D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Hohige]

Do the Sorcerer create the world too?

He doesn't.

 

[prabe]

D&D 5E - 20th level Wizard vs the World

I was having a fun debate with my gaming group. In 3rd edition, we all agreed that a high level wizard could take over a world pretty trivially. but how about 5e? The promise of bounded accuracy and more limited spells suggests it should be harder for a powerful wizard to just run the show. But...

www.enworld.org

I didn't create the rules. I just followed them.

Well, it seems that no pure class can defeat the Demigod or Lightning Demigod.
So, why don't we release multiclass?
It will be more challenging.

You are incorrect. Any wizard, given proper motivation and time--far less than either of your putative demigawds have put into preparing their defenses--can eliminate either character.

 

[Hohige]

Divine Intervention says the GM decides the outcome of the assistance. You get to GM decide everything for your sorcerer so I get to decide for the cleric. The diety plane shifts you to the his home plane and imprisons you there.

I win.

Divine Intervention​

"Beginning at 10th level, you can call on your deity to intervene on your behalf when your need is great.

Imploring your deity's aid requires you to use your action. Describe the assistance you seek, and roll percentile dice. If you roll a number equal to or lower than your cleric level, your deity intervenes. The DM chooses the nature of the intervention; the effect of any cleric spell or cleric domain spell would be appropriate. If your deity intervenes, you can't use this feature again for 7 days. Otherwise, you can use it again after you finish a long rest.

At 20th level, your call for intervention succeeds automatically, no roll required."

First problem, no one really knows is Demigod. He has multiple disguises and a level 9 or lower cleric spell doesn't seem threatening.

 

[Hohige]

You are incorrect. Any wizard, given proper motivation and time--far less than either of your putative demigawds have put into preparing their defenses--can eliminate either character.

I certainly doubt that.

 

[prabe]

I certainly doubt that.

How much time has your putative demigawd spent preparing? Give a wizard two days fewer than that to research him, find out who he is.

Day -2: Wizard casts Simulacrum.

Day -1: Simalacrum casts Simulacrum (henceforth called "Simulacrum' ")

Day of demigawd's death: Wizard and/or a Simulacrum paints a 15' box on the ground. All fall back to a reasonable disance away. Simlacrum' casts wish "I wish the demigawd to be, as of this moment, to have an antimagic field that only effects his magic centered on him." Simulacrum' sits down, hard. Simulacrum casts wish "I wish for the demigawd and all his clones to be, as of this moment, inside that box." Wizard proceeds to make the putative demigawd dead.

Do. Not. Mess. With. Wizards.

(Also, this sort of cheese is why I don't allow the spell Simulacrum in my games.)

(Also also, while you are able to twin wish, you cannot have more than one simulacrum at any time. Read the spell.)

 

[Hohige]

How much time has your putative demigawd spent preparing? Give a wizard two days fewer than that to research him, find out who he is.

Day -2: Wizard casts Simulacrum.

Day -1: Simalacrum casts Simulacrum (henceforth called "Simulacrum' ")

Day of demigawd's death: Wizard and/or a Simulacrum paints a 15' box on the ground. All fall back to a reasonable disance away. Simlacrum' casts wish "I wish the demigawd to be, as of this moment, to have an antimagic field that only effects his magic centered on him." Simulacrum' sits down, hard. Simulacrum casts wish "I wish for the demigawd and all his clones to be, as of this moment, inside that box." Wizard proceeds to make the putative demigawd dead.

Do. Not. Mess. With. Wizards.

(Also, this sort of cheese is why I don't allow the spell Simulacrum in my games.)

(Also also, while you are able to twin wish, you cannot have more than one simulacrum at any time. Read the spell.)

We back again to infinite loops.
Wizard x World and Sorcerer vs World banned infinite loops and Simulacra-cheese.
Everyone with Wish Spell can craft a Scroll of Wish to do it. It ins't new. Sorcerers, Bards, Arcana Cleric, Genies.
The Sorcerer can twin it, simulacrum cheese and coffeelock cheese. But obviously, It's infinite loop ^^

 

[prabe]

We back again to infinite loops.
Wizard x World and Sorcerer vs World banned infinite loops and Simulacra-cheese.
Everyone with Wish Spell can craft a Scroll of Wish to do it. It ins't new.

No infinite loop. Simulacrum' has no 7th-level slots. Simulacrum has one. That's as many as simulacra the wizard can have, and 2 is definitely not an infinite number.

If I wanted to do it by crafting scrolls of wish, I'd have specified a Scribe Wizard--and even then it would take years to scribe a scroll of wish, if my math is anything like correct.

And as much cheese as you were doing from misreading the simulacrum spell, I don't think you really have much ground to stand on, eh?

 

[Hohige]

No infinite loop. Simulacrum' has no 7th-level slots. Simulacrum has one. That's as many as simulacra the wizard can have, and 2 is definitely not an infinite number.

If I wanted to do it by crafting scrolls of wish, I'd have specified a Scribe Wizard--and even then it would take years to scribe a scroll of wish, if my math is anything like correct.

And as much cheese as you were doing from misreading the simulacrum spell, I don't think you really have much ground to stand on, eh?

Ok, The Sorcerer casted 2 Twinned Simulacrums, 4 Creatures. Scroll of Wish is 102 days. Wizard study year into School of Magic. So, The Sorcerer can cast a lot of Scroll of Wish. Right?
Every Simulacrum have 70 Spells slots level 5. (Coffeelocking). It isn't infinite, Right?

The Threads banned infinite Loops, Simulacra Cheese, and Coffelocking. So, lets try a real tricky with Wizards..

 

[prabe]

You can't have more than one simulacrum. Read the flipping spell. I mean, you can twin wish, sure, but the text of the simulacrum spell says that if you ever make another one the first one self-descructs. So, you can't make two.

Build your character per the rules, or don't complain.

 

[Hohige]

You can't have more than one simulacrum. Read the flipping spell.

Wish:
"If you cast this spell again, any currently active duplicates you created with this spell are instantly destroyed."

The description of the spell does not say that it cannot have more than one.

You can't have more than one simulacrum. Read the flipping spell. I mean, you can twin wish, sure, but the text of the simulacrum spell says that if you ever make another one the first one self-descructs. So, you can't make two.

Build your character per the rules, or don't complain.

I strongly disagree.

Wish:
"If you cast this spell again, any currently active duplicates you created with this spell are instantly destroyed."

The description of the spell does not say that it cannot have more than one.
Sorcerer cast the Simulacrum once, but Twinned.