D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Earth2Carnifex]

"The rules around the Alert feat specifically and literally say the character cannot be surprised, in essence the character has nerves of steel and can be ready to act on instinct if necessary. As soon as the sorcerer player declares intent to initiate combat, initiative is rolled. As far as I know, there is no freebie round where PC's or NPC's get to act freely and do whatever they want. If a character is surprised, he simply looses the ability to act on his first turn, it does not mean initiative is not rolled."

I very strongly disagree.
It means that you can use move and reaction on first turn . Nothing more. Not being surprised is just that and nothing more.
"I am never surprised."
Congratulations, you can move and reaction on your first turn. That's it, nothing more.

So, you can't roll initiave against hidden creatures and undetected subtle spells for obvious reasons, it remains hidden.

So you are saying there is a freebie round before combat, good to know, I am sure my DM will not laugh at me when I suggest it.

 

[Hohige]

So you are saying there is a freebie round before combat, good to know, I am sure my DM will not laugh at me when I suggest it.

The DM will laugh at you if you ask for initiative check against something you can't detect.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

The DM will laugh at you if you ask for initiative check against something you can't detect.

Once again, clearly this Sorcerer's strategy relies on finding a DM wildly biased in favor of Sorcerers.

 

[Earth2Carnifex]

The DM will laugh at you if you ask for initiative check against something you can't detect.

So we have established that you do not understand how stealth works or combat initiative apparently.

 

[Krachek]

The Bastion doesnt care about Alert feat. The Wizard is defenseless against The Bastion.
I disagree, with Trance of Order minimum 12 initiative with magical Guidance.
The best that a Wizard can do is try survive.
The Sorcerer is stronger and versatile.
The game isnt arena. The Power of class is everything, RAW Power, skill checks, social skills.

I say that you can’t activate Trance of order before the initiative from an unknown threat.
Rolling low on initiative is not a failure, so no magical guidance allowed.

 

[Hohige]

Once again, clearly this Sorcerer's strategy relies on finding a DM wildly biased in favor of Sorcerers.

All strategy against the bastion failed. That's already failed, because It's hidden and win initiative means nothing.
But Alert feat is useless against something undetected and cannot be surprised is useless against undetected spells and hidden creatures.
With alert ou without alert, you don't roll initiave against things you can't detect. Very simple.

 

[Hohige]

I say that you can’t activate Trance of order before the initiative.
Rolling low on initiative is not a failure, so no magical guidance allowed.

Of course I can use Trance of Order before the initiative. In fact the Wizard will never have a chance to roll initiative..
About Magical Guidance I couldn't agree more.

 

[Krachek]

Of course I can use Trance of Order before the initiative. In fact the Wizard will never have a chance to roll initiative..

The wizare is supposed to be the aggressor?
He have a chance to surprise the Sorcerer. An investigation check, then a stealth check.
if both succeed I would allow a surprise against the Sorcerer.
surprised the Sorcerer can´t activate Trance of order before the initiative.

 

[Eltab]

The Bastion is insiste The Sanctum. He can see normally.

When you use subtle spell you remove S, V componente for that spell. Its only 1 SP.

Cool - then I still beat feet to get outside. Knowing where the static shock came from ("the clump of bushes" if nothing more). AoE spell on the bushes just before I go through the barrier, to discourage pursuit. Of course I zigzag as soon as I am outside.

Good luck trying to chase me and stay hidden - Hiding takes an action, and yours is busy casting that long spell - at the same time. In fact, good luck carrying the material components (yes, plural) for Private Sanctum and having a hand free to handle any other spell's material components at the same time.

10 min = 100 rounds. Got a 100 SP stash as a Sorcerer8? Do explain how. You cannot rest while you are out ambushing people. If you run out of SPs part-way through, what do you stop doing so you can break down more spell slots?

 

[Hohige]

The wizare is supposed to be the aggressor?
He have a chance to surprise the Sorcerer. An investigation check, then a stealth check.
if both succeed I would allow a surprise against the Sorcerer.
surprised the Sorcerer can´t activate Trance of order before the initiative.

It's passive perception vs the bastion's stealth check.

The Initiative was never roled, the Wizard cannot detect the Bastion.