D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Zubatcarteira]

This is the funniest thread I've seen in a while.

 

[Hohige]

It's the blatant cheating that makes this all the more risible rather than interesting. Like, the sorcerer has advantages, he's just not using them in favour of some terrible preparation based strategies that a wizard just... does better in terms of action economy. It's barking up the stupid tree.

Which I guess, Int 10...

The best that a Wizard can do is run away, but even that is not possible. The predator is hunting.
The Bastion with 10 Int is smarter than Wizards. Yes ^^

 

[Hohige]

This is the funniest thread I've seen in a while.

We have a Wizard, cha based 20 CHA with 14 int, trying manipule with visible and obvious spells to improve his manipulation skill and believes that he will not be killed immediately, with 80 HP and contingency to escape when an assassin approaches 1.000ft. Hahho. Toddin, the assassin level 3 is sending him to another plane, afraid.
Instakilled with a Subtle Meteor Swarm.

20 Cha Wizard, incredible.

Yes, this is funny.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

HAHahha, The Wizard has 80 HP. It's instant death, with +1 Dex saving thow.

Your lack of grasp of statistics is confounding. A 10 Con Wizard has 82 HP taking 4 (that's 6+19*4). To kill him in one-shot, you'd need to do 164 HP on 40d6, 3 of which are empowered to an average of 4.25 instead of 3.5. Since the Chronurgist confronted to massive damage will ensure the success of his saving throw through Convergent Future, one need to roll 164 on 40d6 (3 of them empowered). Rolling that much d6 will make it very uncommon that you get a result far from the average. Actually, the odds getting 164 or more on 40d6 is 1,64%. Rerolling the 3 lowest (which most likely will be ones) will increase your odds, but in 95% of the cases you'll fail to inflict "instant death".

Plus, as mentionned above, you couldn't cast Meteor Swarm, since you Wished for Mind Blank on the same day". Cheating to reach 95% chance of failure? That's not convincing of any particular strength of the sorcerer...

 

[Hohige]

Your lack of grasp of statistics is confounding. A 10 Con Wizard has 82 HP taking 4 (that's 6+19*4). To kill him in one-shot, you'd need to do 164 HP on 40d6, 3 of which are empowered to an average of 4.25 instead of 3.5. Since the Chronurgist confronted to massive damage will ensure the success of his saving throw through Convergent Future, one need to roll 164 on 40d6 (3 of them empowered). Rolling that much d6 will make it very uncommon that you get a result far from the average. Actually, the odds getting 164 or more on 40d6 is 1,64%. Rerolling the 3 lowest (which most likely will be ones) will increase your odds, but in 95% of the cases you'll fail to inflict "instant death".

Plus, as mentionned above, you couldn't cast Meteor Swarm, since you Wished for Mind Blank on the same day".

I strongly disagre.
you are an Enchanter and can't use reaction while surprised.
Poorly, your Wizard is dead.
Again.

 

[Hohige]

Not mention the fact that 72 points of damage would merely irritate a mid level Barbarian and would a mid level Monk, Rogue or random Shield Master, take any damage at all?

Subtle Empowered Meteor Swarm, Subtle Empowered Horrid Wilding and Assassin's Death strike is instant kill for everything.
His Assassin Simulacrum buffed solves 99% cases.
Or just Subtle Polymorph into a Chicken + Flesh to Stone.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

I strongly disagre.
you are an Enchanter and can't use reaction while surprised.
Poorly, your Wizard is dead.
Again.

You're really having problem concentrating on a simple conversation. You asked for build, I stated Chronurgist. This has nothing to do with the halfling ensuring peace through your abusive reading of Persuasion rules, of course. On the rules regarding Surprise, are you again changing the rules? First it was "no DM intervention" (and the DM determines who could be surprised, so nobody was ever surprised), then you basically tried to argue that somehow casting subtle spells let you act without initative, then you relented on that, so we're back at the "no surprise" rules. Unless you somehow now accept to use surprise rules as in D&D and never to deviate from that? I was about to rejoince that at post 1,256 you were starting to accept the D&D rules, but we're still a long way away.

So, you still didn't explain how you could identify someone at a 1 mile distance and cast 2 9th level spells on the same day, one of which isn't on your spell list. So basically you're now cheating to have a strong chance of victory against wizards in the odd chance that the first person you see in the distance in half and letting escape the one with a Contingency of Dimension Door.

If you are so intent on cheating, why not simply declare that you destroy the multiverse? It would ensure victory in your mind.

Meanwhile, no wizard were defeated so far, because invalid build see their character sheet sheared and burnt down ,which happen to the latest incarnation of the bastion.

What is your next build?

 

[Hohige]

You're really having problem concentrating on a simple conversation. You asked for build, I stated Chronurgist. This has nothing to do with the halfling ensuring peace through your abusive reading of Persuasion rules, of course. On the rules regarding Surprise, are you again changing the rules? First it was "no DM intervention" (and the DM determines who could be surprised, so nobody was ever surprised), then you basically tried to argue that somehow casting subtle spells let you act without initative, then you relented on that, so we're back at the "no surprise" rules. Unless you somehow now accept to use surprise rules as in D&D and never to deviate from that?

That and you still didn't explain how you could identify someone at a 1 mile distance and cast 2 9th level spells on the same day, one of which isn't on your spell list. So basically you're now cheating to have a strong chance of victory against wizards in the odd chance that the first person you see in the distance in half and letting escape the one with a Contingency of Dimension Door.

If you are so intent on cheating, why not simply declare that you destroy the multiverse? It would ensure victory.

No. You are an Enchanter.
Stealth check x Your passive perception. You are surprised and the creatures are hidden for you.
Your Wizard is dead, again.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

No. You are an Enchanter.

What didn't you understand in this post? I bolded the relevant lines for you.

As a training, how would you defeat the Contingent "Dimension Door 500 ft up in the air as soon as I am victim of an hostile action" [a build any Wizard can do with only 2 prepared spells: Feather Fall and Planeshift], or a build with Contingent Greater invisibility upon the same trigger (also, with only Planeshift as their other prepared spells]. If the wizard can act, he planeshifts away and the advantage of choosing your turf is lost. If you want specifics, consider no feats, INT 20 and Chronurgy. That's a very short prepared spell list (3 spells instead of 25) and a suboptimal build so if your build claims to have some semblance of chance against an optimized WIzard (who would be with a Simulacrum and so on...) he should be able to defeat this sub-par wizards easily.

Are you basically simply changing opposing build as part of your cheating?

Your Wizard is dead, again.

From a spell the Cheating One can't cast. So no dead wizard, since the attack was made by a cheating build.
By insisting on cheating, you basically did a disservice to sorcerers, which is a fine class to play.

 

[Catulle]

He will. It's called Subtle Meteor Swarm.
And He still will blame the Wizards for that. Haha

Did you or did you not claim a meter swarm on the same day you had committed your 9th level slot to casting part of the stupid defensive suite?

Haha