D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Jfdlsjfd]

Rule: "Your voice is your own when you're using telepathy"
Caveat by Crawford: "As a DM, I allow Deception checks".
Understanding by the Telefatty Sorcerer: "I can try to do a Deception check to convince someone the voice he has no control over resounding in his head is... his own."

The DC must be equal than the one at the Disguise check to convince someone that you're him, you know?

 

[Shadowedeyes]

The actor feat affecting telepathy is very much in DM fiat territory, since a strict reading of the mimic ability specifies that you can mimic the speech or sound of another creature, not their thoughts. At least Hohige did specify where the sorcerer is getting telepathy from. I guess the Telepathic feat must be replacing one of his two Resilient feats, since that was never legal anyway.

Actually, with Actor, what is the sorcerer's feat count up to at this point anyway?

 

[Hohige]

The actor feat affecting telepathy is very much in DM fiat territory, since a strict reading of the mimic ability specifies that you can mimic the speech or sound of another creature, not their thoughts. At least Hohige did specify where the sorcerer is getting telepathy from. I guess the Telepathic feat must be replacing one of his two Resilient feats, since that was never legal anyway.

Actually, with Actor, what is the sorcerer's feat count up to at this point anyway?

Telephatic feat:
"You can speak telepathically to any creature"


Actor feat allows him "You can mimic the speech"


With an unbeatiable Deception check to force them o bealive that the Bastion's telepathic speech is his own thoughts...

The Bastion can manipulate everything against Wizards, easily impersonate another person to frame Wizards.
Stealth, Imperceptible spells, Telephatic Feat, Actor feat, High deception it can Planar Binding and command them with I.M.P.U.N.I.T.Y.
It also unbeatiable on x1, high hp, high heal, high damage, twin simulacrum, unbeatiable stealth, immunity against every wizard spell that can harm him.


It's by far the most powerful character and prove that Wizards are just inferior, by a large margin.
It is single classed, no magical items dependency and can be used as PC and Villain.

A dark mystery, a hidden threat, a secret, an assassin, dark magic and many other mysteries can involve The Bastion.


"For Purity!!!"

 

[JiffyPopTart]

Telephatic feat:
"You can speak telepathically to any creature"


Actor feat allows him "You can mimic the speech"


With an unbeatiable Deception check to force them o bealive that the Bastion's telepathic speech is his own thoughts...

The Bastion can manipulate everything against Wizards, easily impersonate another person to frame Wizards.
Stealth, Imperceptible spells, Telephatic Feat, Actor feat, High deception it can Planar Binding and command them with I.M.P.U.N.I.T.Y.
It also unbeatiable on x1, high hp, high heal, high damage, twin simulacrum, unbeatiable stealth, immunity against every wizard spell that can harm him.


It's by far the most powerful character and prove that Wizards are just inferior, by a large margin.
It is single classed, no magical items dependency and can be used as PC and Villain.

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A dark mystery, a hidden threat, a secret, an assassin, dark magic and many other mysteries can involve The Bastion.


"For Purity!!!"

How do you know what the voice in their head sounds like in order to mimic it?

 

[Benjamin Olson]

This "I.M.P.U.N.I.T.Y." Hohige keeps talking about is of course an acronym for: Imagined Mighty Power Unworkable Near Identifiable Tabletops Yet.

 

[Eltab]

With Telephaty feat and Actor feat he can pretend to be anyone, without any difficulty.

Overconfident One: I am Jubilex!
Target: I'll believe it when I see it.
Overconfident One: exposes his position and demonstrates his unmatched skill with Disguise Kit
Target: Nah, you aren't big enough to be Jubilex. Plus, he doesn't have arms or legs.
Overconfident One: I have an unbeatable Deception score! You must believe me!
Target: Your claim has to be plausible to Deception somebody.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Telephatic feat:
"You can speak telepathically to any creature"


Actor feat allows him "You can mimic the speech"

Jeremy Crawford (https ://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/711981264740331521) explicitely states that allowing such a reading is DM fiat. (You sound like yourself when speaking via telepathy, although as DM, I allow attempts at telepathic deception.) So no, you can't without the DM-given leeway in interpreting the Actor feat do that. And that's another creature, not convince someone that the person he's speaking to is him.

With an unbeatiable Deception check to force them o bealive that the Bastion's telepathic speech is his own thoughts...

CHA 16, so that's +3. Potentially with advantage if you cast Enhance Ability beforehand. Not very convincing at all given the circumstances (you're not trying to convince someone that the voice is one of his friends, but his own voice. It's like convincing someone hearing his voice on TV that it's a live show.

"For Purity!!!"

He's still an illegal build. You claim to have too many spells, and now, with Actor, too many feats.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Overconfident One: I am Jubilex!
Target: I'll believe it when I see it.
Overconfident One: exposes his position and demonstrates his unmatched skill with Disguise Kit
Target: Nah, you aren't big enough to be Jubilex. Plus, he doesn't have arms or legs.
Overconfident One: I have an unbeatable Deception score! You must believe me!
Target: Your claim has to be plausible to Deception somebody.

It's worse than that, it's self-defeating.

Deluded One arrives within 60 ft of Juiblex, having located him and reached him without difficulty through DM fiat.
Deluded One casts Subtle Wished Planar Binding without triggering reaction through violation of D&D rules.
Deluded One *succeed at having his spell stick despite all odds" through violation of probabilities.
Deluded One telepathically imitates Juiblex voice: "Kill all Wizards!"


Hypothesis One: Juiblex realizes that he "hears" a voice in his head, like his, but spekaing Common. He's instantly aware of a trap.
Hypothesis Two: Juiblex realizes that the voice in his head doesn't sound like his, because the Sorcerer never telepathically chatted with Juiblex

Let's suppose that the DM helps tthe Deluded One again pulling off ludicrous plans...

Juiblex hears his own voice telling him to kill all wizards. Juiblex has no problem with the idea, but probably won't act on it, since he has no way of recognizing an order given by the creature he's bound to obey. He has no reason to obey liteterally orders from himself.

 

[Hohige]

CHA 16, so that's +3. Potentially with advantage if you cast Enhance Ability beforehand. Not very convincing at all given the circumstances (you're not trying to convince someone that the voice is one of his friends, but his own voice. It's like convincing someone hearing his voice on TV that it's a live show.



He's still an illegal build. You claim to have too many spells, and now, with Actor, too many feats.

"CHA 16, so that's +3. Potentially with advantage if you cast Enhance Ability beforehand. Not very convincing at all given the circumstances (you're not trying to convince someone that the voice is one of his friends, but his own voice. It's like convincing someone hearing his voice on TV that it's a live show."

I couldn't disagree more.

Trance of Order, Subtle Skill Empowerment, Magical Guidance, Advantage (help action).

It's 25~35 Deception check.
Sorry.

"He's still an illegal build. You claim to have too many spells, and now, with Actor, too many feats."

I strongly disagree
The Clockwork has more spell known than Wizard's prepared spells and his feats are ok.

 

[Hohige]

Actor feat and Telephatic feat works by RAW as demonstred;

Telephatic feat:
"You can speak telepathically to any creature"


Actor feat allows him "You can mimic the speech"


Also, The Bastion doesn't care his binded creatures will follow his orders.