D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

This is a decisively weak build.



Remembering that I will not discuss again the doubts already answered. Only the new ones.

Your claim that previous build were not to be taken into account nullifies this claim. You can't say something changed and then say "I already explained it".

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It is very difficult to describe all the possibilities of Bastion, it is extremely versatile.

Yet, as he claims to be able to defeat anyone, especially any wizard, he must have a modus operandi to confront wizard. It is your job to explain it. Anything that isn't posted doesn't exist (like, when a wizard build doesn't have a prepared spell mentionned, he can't cast it because it's reputed not to exist).

The Bastion and its Simulacrums have an Unbeatiable Stealth check. 36 ~ 46 + 1d4, magical guidance, advantage..

No, as you failed to provide ability score, he has 0 in all stats, so a big big malus to Stealth. You claim to have advantage without substianting how. You claim to have magical guidance, but magical guidance can't be used within the context of your rules. Magical Guidance is an optional feature introduced in Tasha, which states that "You gain class features in the Player's Handbook when you reach certain levels in your class. This section offers additional features that you can gain as a sorcerer. Unlike the features in the Player's Handbook, you don't gain the features here automatically." To get these you must "consult with your DM". Since he has absolutely no agency under the rules you defined, or to quote your "he doesn't exist", you can't consult with him. Nor can he, BTW, decides if circumstances are appropriate to hiding.

You roll once and remain hidden until revealed.

Since, to quote your own words "I will repeat, without DM this game does not exist. No skill check. DM fiat spell as Wish: "I won", Divine Intervetion "I won" or receive any information. Did you understand what I say about DM fiat?" we must conclude that the DM doesn't exist. Therefore, he can't decide if circumstances are approriate for hiding. Therefore, you can never hide with your rules. It wouldn't be the case if it was worded like "The DM decides if circumstances disallow hiding" because in this case the absence of a DM would lead to automatic ability to hide in all circumstances. But that's not the way the rules are written.


All the things he is proficient in, he is invincible. Stealth, Investigation, Perception, Deception etc. With Skill Empowerment spell + Trance of Order

I am questionning "etc." How can you have more than 4 skills you're proficient with? Your build doesn't mention taking any feat, so you have none. You explicitely told that the last feat list you posted was an old one that was changed and you were adamant that it shouldn't be taken into account. Your new, complete build, lacks any feat. So what are the "etc." skills your proficient with and how?


With Subtle Spell, your spells are completely imperceptible. Since he is hidden and his spells are imperceptible, yes he can control any creature with Subtle Dominate Person, Subtle Planar Binding and simulate the creature's own voice in his mind (Telephatic and Actor feat.), with invincible deception check.

Those spells aren't on your non-existent spell list. Post it as you agreed to post a complete, legal build.

It is totally hidden against divination magic by RAI and RAW, because Nondetection is constantly cast.

Explain how you acquire the tremendous material cost of this activity without any of your partner being undetectable.


That manipulative power alone is enough to easily defeat entire schools of magic.
I call it Master of Deception.

Twin Simulacrum:
Yes, the bastion can have 2 simulacrums simultaneously.
How does he get these creatures?
Simple, Hidden and cast Subtle Dominate Person and will control any humanoid creature.
Orders failure of Flesh to Stone Saving Throw. He maintains several creatures that are statures, potentially his choice to be his Simulacrum.

About Assassin's Simulacrum: Is that DM fiat? Course is. But, bastion doesn't care about a specific Simulacrum, any strong humanoids can be targeted by it.
I'm considering assassin, because Bastion is a magical assassin and he's more likely to have access to assassins than other PCs.

So, Assassin level 20, Drow Mother, Cleric level 20 or any of these humanoids could potentially be your simulacrum (Like it or not.)

OK, so anything goes, and since there is nothing Sorcerer specific in this, it is granted to wizard as well. Why not.

Understood?

Yes. Wizards and Sorcerer gets any Simulacrum they want. It's clear. The rest of your build isn't.




Invincible in combat:


In addition to being imperceptible, versatile and hidden.

No Spells really work against Bastion.

It automatically passes all saving throw of wisdom, charisma and constitition.

On what ground? How do you succeed at passing a CON save of 35, for example, should you incur a lot of damage and need to keep concentration? Especially with 0 CON score.


Feeblemind:
He is also not afraid of Feeblemind, since his Simulacrum is always hidden, always. It can dispel it or cast greater restoration that simply nullifies the effect of feeblemind.

OK, so that means the Simulacrum absolutely never cast spell that have a visual trigger and that would make it stop being hidden. All he does is stand ready to cast Dispel Magic on the Sorcerer or Greater Restoration. Too bad you didn't provide a spell known list so those spell can't be cast.

In addition, if Bastion reveals itself, its contingency spell is activated: Greater Invisibility, which makes Feeblemind unable to cast.

Of course. Too bad you didn't provide a spell list so neither Greater Invisibility nor Contingency can be cast.

To cast Feeblemind, you need to see the target, with Greater Invisibility, he is immune against that effect.
True.

In fact, it is highly unlikely that anyone would be able to cast this on him, he would be dead long before he realized it.

Except that it has no stats.

Feeblemind is totally useless against Bastion.

It would actually increase its INT and CHA score, which are currently 0, because you didn't provide the build.

Mind Blank: Bastion may or may not have this effect, depending on the situation.
My level 9th spell slot, depends on the situation.

So, you don't have Mind Blank all the time, only in situation that you'll mention in a clarification post. Until then, no mind blank.

Right?
This completely nullifies Feeblemind or any effect that affects the mind.

Possibly, but you'd need to have cast it beforehand. And you didn't provide a strategy.

if you think Feeblemind works, well, good luck.

Well, it will work with your absymal saving throw and the fact that you didn't explain the circumstances in which you cast Mind Blank, so it's never on, and it's not on your non-existent spell list.

Damage: Its damage is monstrous, with subtle empowered meteor swarm + Simulacrum's Subtle empowered Horrid Wilding. Since these effects do not comes from the caster diretion as fireball spell, they do not reveal their position while It remains hidden and imperceptible.
Not on your non-existent spell list.

Daily spells: Aid level 6 or 7, Armor of Agathys level 5th, Pass without Trace and Invisibility.


Mind Blank, depends of situation.
Skill Empowermen, depends of situation.


The Antimagic Field has already been explained, I will not repeat.

You explained it was Wished for. Yet, the wish spell isn't on your non-existent spell list so you can't cast it. You even didn't mention the word wish it in this supposedly recaptitulation post.

You obviously have a lot of work before providing a build. That was a boast, no a build. Have you ever seen a D&D charsheet? It's the information on it we need to provide you with build that you'll have to defeat.
 
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@Hohige

DM: So you rested in your mighty fortress. Your simulacrums, magen and whatever creatures from your army searched all night for hidden creatures but found nothing, it seems no-one is able to take on your mighty palace (in fact no one found it you told me, so it would be hard for someone to attack your fortress), well what do you do now?
Your research using spies during the last weeks have found that Alfred is one of the last wizard menace around here. His resting place is about 3 weeks from you hidden fortress and your spies seems to confirm that he's absolutly unaware of your existence and thus probably vulnerable.
What do you do today?

Then you know the player describe his course of actions ;)
 



We still didn't get a single complete Wizard's build 😂😂😂
@Hohige

DM: So you rested in your mighty fortress. Your simulacrums, magen and whatever creatures from your army searched all night for hidden creatures but found nothing, it seems no-one is able to take on your mighty palace (in fact no one found it you told me, so it would be hard for someone to attack your fortress), well what do you do now?
Your research using spies during the last weeks have found that Alfred is one of the last wizard menace around here. His resting place is about 3 weeks from you hidden fortress and your spies seems to confirm that he's absolutly unaware of your existence and thus probably vulnerable.
What do you do today?

Then you know the player describe his course of actions ;)

We still didn't get what you're doing today...

Whatever the wizard build, you're a sorcerer so you can't tweak your spell list. What are you doing? You know that a wizard named Alfred seems to be the last menace and lives about 3 weeks of cart travel from your current fortress.
 


We still didn't get a single complete Wizard's build 😂😂😂

The Aflred build earlier in the thread was complete, the one Prabe provided to run the fight was complete, at least complete enough to have stats and feats and a short prepared spell list they respected for the day of the fight. Elements you still don't provide and that are needed for us to provide a counter-build to your own in order to test whether the sorcerer can hold his own against "the world" as you claim.

I'll help you and provide a list of thing you just have to correct

Name:
Class: Sorcerer (Clockwork Soul)
Race:
Background:
Level: 1

Stats
STR 0 CON 0 DEX 0 WIS 0 INT 0 CHA 0
HP : 1 (with a detailed list of how you get the result you claim)
Feats: none
Saving Throws: -4 to all.
Skill proficiencies:

Cantrips known: none
Known Spell list: none

[You don't fill all the allowed spells, it's perfectly fine if you mention less, but you can't cast spells that aren't mentionned in the build]

On the morning on each day, I cast X, Y and Z spell.
When I am going to hunt a PC, I do Z doing the preparation (including acquiring costly material components, for example). If you need several days of preparation, that's fine, provided you mention it.


On the first round, I do X, my Simulacrum do Y and my other simulacrum do Z.
[and so on, as the rest might depend on the target's reaction, the strategy is usually focussed on the first or second round].
If you don't mention it, you can't get back saying "but I had Subtle Dispelled contingency, because if it is not mentionned as part of the strategy or preparation, it didn't happen.


See, it's easy. [Other contributors are welcome to contribute if I have forgotten anything significant]
 
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The Aflred build earlier in the thread was complete, the one Prabe provided to run the fight was complete, at least complete enough to have stats and feats and a short prepared spell list they respected for the day of the fight. Elements you still don't provide and that are needed for us to provide a counter-build to your own in order to test whether the sorcerer can hold his own against "the world" as you claim.

I'll help you and provide a list of thing you just have to correct

Name:
Class: Sorcerer (Clockwork Soul)
Level: 1

Stats
STR 0 CON 0 DEX 0 WIS 0 INT 0 CHA 0
HP : 1 (with a detailed list of how you get the result you claim)
Feats: none
Saving Throws: -4 to all.

Cantrips known: none
Known Spell list: none

[You don't fill all the allowed spells, it's perfectly fine if you mention less, but you can't cast spells that aren't mentionned in the build]

On the morning on each day, I cast X, Y and Z spell.
When I am going to hunt a PC, I do Z doing the preparation (including acquiring costly material components, for example). If you need several days of preparation, that's fine, provided you mention it.


On the first round, I do X, my Simulacrum do Y and my other simulacrum do Z.
[and so on, as the rest might depend on the target's reaction, the strategy is usually focussed on the first or second round].
If you don't mention it, you can't get back saying "but I had Subtle Dispelled contingency, because if it is not mentionned as part of the strategy or preparation, it didn't happen.


See, it's easy.
We are still waiting your prepared spell list and cantrips. 😂😂😂😂😂
 

We are still waiting your prepared spell list and cantrips. 😂😂😂😂😂
We are still waiting for your answers to previous questions...

Edit: The prepared spells of the wizard are useless. You can't change spells you have for the day so the important question is: What do you do the day you start hunting one of them it's simple question ("Clear as water" I might add!)
 

We are still waiting your prepared spell list and cantrips. 😂😂😂😂😂


We are still waiting for your answers to previous questions...

I provided a template. Until it's corrected, I'll use them as the current values.



To defeat the aforementioned build with 0 in all stats, I propose this list:

Class: Wizard 20 (subschool irrelevant, he won't use any class feature).
Race: variant human, standard array.
INT 20, DEX 16, CON 16, WIS 12, CHA 10, STR 8
HP: 142.
Feats: Alert, Observant.
Cantrips: Light, Mending, Prestidigitation, Message, Toll the Dead.
Spells memorized for the day of the duel: magic missile (the Wizard lazyly didn't prepare more).

A single magic missle is enough to kill the Sorcerer. The strategy is to cast magic missile at the Sorcerer whenever he's met.

WOW, that was easy.

You should try providing another build, perhaps one with spells, feats and ability scores. They'd help tremendously to make Sorcerers more viable as characters.

So far, that's two canonical build defeated in real fight.
 
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