Super hero tone and changing times

[Ryujin]

The one who depowers Zod, then when his victim has no powers, he tortures him by slowly crushing his hand, then he coldly executes him, before winking at Lois Lane?

Wrong Reeves. George Reeves.

 

[Umbran]

Wrong Reeves. George Reeves.

Nah, Chris was better. More humility in the human persona.

 

[Ryujin]

Nah, Chris was better. More humility in the human persona.

However, George didn't kill anyone. Oh, sure, occasionally some idiot henchman got hit by his own ricocheting bullet...

 

[hawkeyefan]

On the gripping hand, it is probably more necessary to have in this day and age.

Sure, I agree. I wasn’t saying that they shouldn’t try, just that it can br tricky to pull off, and that Zack Snyder isn’t exactly equipped for the task.

So, there are times when embracing your cheese and owning it and not being scared of it is the way to get past it being cheesey. Kind of like... disco music. It is the Will Smith, "I make this look good," moment. It is Zombieland. It is Shazam.

Sure. Shazam is a great example, but I think the nature of it makes it a little easier because there’s less baggage for the character assumed by the audience, and you have the “kid as an adult” angle to lean on a la “Big” and similar movies.

The risk is that for every movie that has just the right balance of cheese, there are a bunch that have too much or too little, and the end result is just off.

 

[payn]

I dont like attempts to make the Punisher a good dude only kills the worst of the worst. I like Punisher as an anti-hero, but my favorite part of Punisher is when he lands in Daredevil, Spidey, and nightcrawler comics. The contrast works great for hero stories. The Punisher is not quite the usual villian, but it aint no saint either. The line from the DareDevil Marvel Netflix series was awesome, "You're one bad day away from being me".

 

[Umbran]

However, George didn't kill anyone. Oh, sure, occasionally some idiot henchman got hit by his own ricocheting bullet...

... and Superman is faster than a speeding bullet. So... could he have stopped it, if he wanted to?

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I dont like attempts to make the Punisher a good dude only kills the worst of the worst. I like Punisher as an anti-hero, but my favorite part of Punisher is when he lands in Daredevil, Spidey, and nightcrawler comics. The contrast works great for hero stories. The Punisher is not quite the usual villian, but it aint no saint either. The line from the DareDevil Marvel Netflix series was awesome, "You're one bad day away from being me".

I'm not a big Frank Castle fan. I will agree that I like some of his appearances in Daredevil, specifically when he shows up early in Brubaker's Daredevil run. He gets himself thrown into Rikers when he sees that Matt, the Kingpin AND Bullseye are all there at the same time. Frank realizes that because the Kingpin has just had someone close to Matt killed that Matt MIGHT be pushed to the brink and kill the Kingpin.

When he gets inside, while he doesn't interfere in Matt business with the Kingpin and Bullsye he does chide him about possibly crossing that line. After Matt choses not to kill Fisk or Bullseye, Frank tells Matt later on in the run:

"You're hurtin' a lot right now, Murdock, with good reason. But you don't want to be ME. You needed to remember that..."

 

[Ryujin]

... and Superman is faster than a speeding bullet. So... could he have stopped it, if he wanted to?

Bit of a moral line between actively hurting someone, and letting that person hurt themselves

 

[Morrus]

Bit of a moral line between actively hurting someone, and letting that person hurt themselves

Not if you're Superman.

 

[Umbran]

Not if you're Superman.

We say he's a Boy Scout. Let us not pretend Lt. General Baden Powell was a pacifist.