TSR Running list of potential problematic issues in TSR era DnD

[Sacrosanct]

Where did you get the impression that it said they were largely liars and thieves? There's a 30% they might have useful information, 15% chance they might lie about having useful information, and a 20% chance they might be working with a thief. Math isn't my strongest subject but they're 80% likely not be thieves and 85% likely not to be liars.



Are we really worried someone is going to bring the harlot table back?

that’s not how pejorative implications of stereotypes works, and you know it. It was specifically called out how a certain percentage were liars and some were with thieves. If I said, “15% of Jews might lie for money, and 20% of Jews work with thieves”, can you not see the problem of the implication there? Are you really gonna defend that and say, “Well, 85% aren’t liars, so what’s the big deal?”

Also, I’m not worried about the harlot table. I specifically said I knew many of the obvious ones, but as a cishet male, I have blinders on and want to know other things I may have missed. You know, the whole point of this thread.

 

[Zardnaar]

Reread my first post. There you will find the point. And it’s not virtual signaling.

Why included OSR then? 5E is the current edition.

If you don't like OSR don't play it it's fairly simple. It's not something the designers care about and it's not 1987 and the lead up to 2E.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Why included OSR then? 5E is the current edition.

If you don't like OSR don't play it it's fairly simple. It's not something the designers care about and it's not 1987 and the lead up to 2E.

If you’re not gonna even read my post, I don’t know what to tell you other than maybe just ignore this thread and stop threadcapping if you have nothing to contribute to it.

 

[MGibster]

that’s not how pejorative implications of stereotypes works, and you know it. It was specifically called out how a certain percentage were liars and some were with thieves. If I said, “15% of Jews might lie for money, and 20% of Jews work with thieves”, can you not see the problem of the implication there? Are you really gonna defend that and day, “Well, 85% aren’t liars, so what’s the big deal?”

I think it's best that we steer clear of that particular line of discussion.

Also, I’m not worried about the harlot table. I specifically said I knew many of the obvious ones, but as a cishet male, I have blinders on and want to know other things I may have missed. You know, the whole point of this thread.

You brought it up in the first post. It seems to be bothering you.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I think it's best that we steer clear of that particular line of discussion.

You brought it up in the first post. It seems to be bothering you.

It was just one thing of several that I knew about as obvious problematic issues back then that should be avoided going forward. It didn’t bother me any more than any other item. And none of them “bothered me” per se, it was just a list. Also, you seem to be violating that second rule I asked. So I’ll ask again, if you can’t contribute but instead feel the need to defend those issues, take it elsewhere please.

Seriously, did no one read the OP?

 

[ccs]

Ah, one of my favorite tables in any edition of the game. Only table better is rolling up loot of Treasure Type H.

This chart?

Sparked quite an interesting discussion around the dinner table. Poor Dad. All he wanted someone to pass the potatoes. Instead his 12 year old blindsides him with questions about what a cheap trollop etc is. He's sitting there in stunned silence with an odd look on his face having barely avoided dropping the potatoes. His 10 & 12 year old kids are staring expectantly at him. And Mom says something along the lines of "This questions all yours honey." & get's up to tinker with something on the stove (I think she was trying very hard not to die laughing).
Dad did answer our questions.
* As an adult I realize this expression is "WTF??? What do I say to this?"

* Has provided a great amount of flavor & amusement (some of it quite juvenile, some considerably deeper) to our games over the decades.

* One of my current 5e players? She found out about this table & used it to roll up her character. Low 80's - Expensive Doxy.
This character & her pre-adventuring background has led to an entire Island nation being added to our campaign!

 

[MGibster]

Also, you seem to be violating that second rule I asked. So I’ll ask again, if you can’t contribute but instead feel the need to defend those issues, take it elsewhere please.

There are likely a lot of people who have never heard of the harlot chart let alone seen it so I thought I'd put it in its proper context. It wasn't just a harlot chart it was part of a larger table detailing random encounters PCs might run into in the city. If you feel as though I'm violating the rules, the proper thing to do is to report my post rather than acting like a moderator. I should have surmised by your opening post that nothing good could come from this discussion and left it alone. That's on me. So I will take my leave of this thread and wish you luck.

 

[Sacrosanct]

There are likely a lot of people who have never heard of the harlot chart let alone seen it so I thought I'd put it in its proper context. It wasn't just a harlot chart it was part of a larger table detailing random encounters PCs might run into in the city. If you feel as though I'm violating the rules, the proper thing to do is to report my post rather than acting like a moderator. I should have surmised by your opening post that nothing good could come from this discussion and left it alone. That's on me. So I will take my leave of this thread and wish you luck.

Something good already has come out of this thread. That being, issues and potential problem areas I wasn’t previously aware of that I now know to avoid. Sorry you can’t see any value in bringing increased awareness to issues that may be problematic to others. Although it does explain your posts better.

 

[ccs]

The other is from an African American, but his dress is wholly European. I should have caught that and did better.

Why? What's wrong with it? Did the artist fail to follow your instructions? Or were you expecting them to automagically divine that because you'd hired them, that you wanted AA themed art?

 

[Zardnaar]

Why? What's wrong with it? Did the artist fail to follow your instructions? Or were you expecting them to automagically divine that because you'd hired them, that you wanted AA themed art?

I need help here as well. Blacks did wear European armor, there's photos here of pakeha who "went native" with tribal tattoos, moko and Polynesian weapons.

Artist not following instructions?