So, Wandavision?

[MarkB]

Yeah. I agree. She is absolutely responsible. It's still different from intentionally killing your mother. The former doesn't have to mean evil, horrible person. The latter kinda does.

Edit: Thinking further, it's not the same as drunk driving. In this case, the "drunk" was at home and a bunch of people stormed the house and tried to kill her, and she accidentally killed them back due to "drunken" lack of control. That's not the same as getting drunk, getting behind the wheel and then accidentally killing someone. The witches came to Agnes and attacked her first.

If, as seems likely, she knew in advance that the forbidden powers she was dabbling in would oblige her fellow coven members to hunt her down in response, and further, that those powers would allow her to overcome them with deadly force, then she's responsible for their deaths. She chose a course of action that would oblige them to place themselves in harm's way.

 

[Maxperson]

If, as seems likely, she knew in advance that the forbidden powers she was dabbling in would oblige her fellow coven members to hunt her down in response, and further, that those powers would allow her to overcome them with deadly force, then she's responsible for their deaths. She chose a course of action that would oblige them to place themselves in harm's way.

I don't agree that she is responsible for vigilante action. They didn't have to come after her. They chose to do so. If on the other hand she made pacts with evil powers that corrupted her and she went on to intentionally kill and harm due to her choice, she would be fully responsible for those actions. Defending yourself against vigilantes, though, is still self-defense. This was just her coven, not magic cops or even the Sorcerer Supreme.

 

[Umbran]

They didn't have to come after her..... Defending yourself against vigilantes, though, is still self-defense.

Eh. That's a kind of deep ethical question there, and "they didn't have to" really depends on what happened before that scene, now doesn't it? Or are you going to argue that, just based on the final fight of Endgame, that Thanos was the victim?

In the comics, Agatha was at the Salem witch trials - Agatha actually ensured that several of her fellow witches were tried, as a form of test - to Agatha, no witch worthy of the name could be caught and slain in such a way.

She may not be Doctor Doom, but Agatha's not a nice person.

 

[billd91]

I think Agatha's comment is more supposed to be in the line of "if you were a true witch you would have had your true-seeing spell up at all times to identify spells" or perhaps "if you were a true witch you would have known to expect magical wards around a sanctum such as this amd would have been looking for them."

Cheers

Yeah, basically, Agatha is approaching the situation like Wanda has to have a substantial magical education to be manipulating magic the way she's doing so and, initially, is incredulous that Wanda can't have the kind of magical sophistication she has. Whether it's about any kind of true-seeing spell or not, she expected a magically-educated Wanda to have spotted the signs of the wards if not the wards themselves. It's as the evidence mounts that she starts to believe Wanda's something different.

What I wonder is why Tyler Haywood knows Wanda has the power to reanimate/resurrect Vision, as he comments in the flashback, when Wanda herself does not know or believe that.

 

[Maxperson]

Eh. That's a kind of deep ethical question there, and "they didn't have to" really depends on what happened before that scene, now doesn't it? Or are you going to argue that, just based on the final fight of Endgame, that Thanos was the victim?

In the comics, Agatha was at the Salem witch trials - Agatha actually ensured that several of her fellow witches were tried, as a form of test - to Agatha, no witch worthy of the name could be caught and slain in such a way.

She may not be Doctor Doom, but Agatha's not a nice person.

No, we don't know what happened before that scene. And I know she's not a nice person. The MCU makes too many changes to rely too heavily on the comics, though. I'm primarily looking at what we know from the show, and it looked to me like the coven went vigilante on her because she over stepped in what she learned, not from any prior actions against others.

 

[Umbran]

What I wonder is why Tyler Haywood knows Wanda has the power to reanimate/resurrect Vision, as he comments in the flashback, when Wanda herself does not know or believe that.

I'm gonna go with Kang.

I'm also going to go with the idea that we will only learn that in hindsight much later in the next phase.

 

[Imaculata]

What I wonder is why Tyler Haywood knows Wanda has the power to reanimate/resurrect Vision, as he comments in the flashback, when Wanda herself does not know or believe that.

Yes, I noticed it as well. It was very strange.

And if he had reason to suspect that she could resurrect Vision, him causing Wanda extra distress by showing her Vision being cut to pieces, would be a great way to provoke her powers to manifest. I keep thinking that the deed of the house waiting in Wanda's car is a bit suspect also. All of this stinks.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

What I wonder is why Tyler Haywood knows Wanda has the power to reanimate/resurrect Vision, as he comments in the flashback, when Wanda herself does not know or believe that.

Because he's Mephisto! Dun dun dun....

 

[MarkB]

What I wonder is why Tyler Haywood knows Wanda has the power to reanimate/resurrect Vision, as he comments in the flashback, when Wanda herself does not know or believe that.

SWORD have been taking apart and reassembling Vision for five years. They basically restored him to full working order barring a power source.

That being the case, it's not a big leap to conclude that someone empowered by the same thing that was powering Vision might be able to re-power him. Hayward might not even have been as sure as he sounded - he might have simply wanted to provoke her to trying in order to see what happened.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Just to point something else out, but looking at the IMDB page for the show, several of the actors have there roles listed as "character name"/....

Some of those with the .... we now know are same person with two different names, like Agnes/.... and Monica/....

But some of the others listed that way include Darcy and Hayward and several of the town residents. Now the residents are probably just their Wanda show name and their normal Westview name, but what about the ones not from Westview? Darcy could just be that way because she got pulled into the Hex and given another persona, though I don't think we ever heard that name? But that does not explain Hayward being listed with a secret alternate name or some of the others on the cast list.

Interestingly, Wanda does not have the /.... even though we know she will also be called Scarlet Witch.