So, Wandavision?

[Tonguez]

Yes it is. In the first instance, Agatha was a member of their society ("Are you a witch?" "I am a witch.") who had transgressed against its regulations; in the second, Agatha is a self-appointed judge, jury and torturer.


The former is the accidental outcome of an unwitting act, and the latter is the deliberate result of conscious choices. The latter is clearly more sadistic.

it may have been unwitting at the start, but we now know that Wanda is aware of whats happening and is able to leave the Hex and/or remove people from it.
She is now knowingly subjecting the towns people to her fantasy and refusing to let them go.

 

[Davies]

it may have been unwitting at the start, but we now know that Wanda is aware of whats happening and is able to leave the Hex and/or remove people from it.
She is now knowingly subjecting the towns people to her fantasy and refusing to let them go.

Still not as sadistic.

Besides, how do you know that they're not cockroaches? The resemblance to people living in the town could just be coincidence.

 

[Tonguez]

Do we even know for certain that she genuinely killed the puppy? We just see her holding a bundle that may or may not contain a dead dog. Yes, I know she later admits to killing the dog, but we don't necessarily have to believe her.

I think people are making mountains out of molehills here.

Yeah, I’ve said before, that villain song was a red herring.

When it happened Wanda and Agnes were both in the basement which the aspect ratio suggested was occuring in the real world, however Agatha’s song was presented in TV-land form (which we know is Wanda’s mindscape) I’d suggest ‘It was Agatha all along’ was not Agatha’s confession but Wanda projecting her response to being confronted (It was the Scarlet Witchs chaos magic working on autopilot)

Note that Agnes still had to identify who she was after the song, and was still unsure who Wanda was

 

[Tonguez]

Still not as sadistic.

So can you give actual examples of Agnes doing things that were more sadistic?

 

[Davies]

So can you give actual examples of Agnes doing things that were more sadistic?

Forcing Wanda to relive the death of her parents.

 

[Imaculata]

Do we even know for certain that she genuinely killed the puppy? We just see her holding a bundle that may or may not contain a dead dog. Yes, I know she later admits to killing the dog, but we don't necessarily have to believe her.

I'd like to think that she did, because I'd like to think of Agatha as the hero of this story.

 

[Tonguez]

Forcing Wanda to relive the death of her parents.

Having people confront painful memories isnt sadistic, its sometimes an important therapy.
Its certainly not more sadistic than what Wanda is doing to the towns folk like Norm - torturing his mind with overwhelming grief, forcing him to play out a role against his will and barring him from going home to attend to his sister and sick father. The SWORD note on Norm says that there is now reason to be concerned about the physical safety of the towns residents

 

[Davies]

Having people confront painful memories isnt sadistic, its sometimes an important therapy.

Her goal is not to help, it's to inflict the same thing on Wanda that she did to the members of the coven, draining her magic and stealing her life. The denial of this obvious truth by people on this board is nauseating.

And no one asked her to be Wanda's therapist. Self-appointment again. Her doing this is no different from any abusive parent who claims that they're trying to toughen their kid up through physical cruelty.

 

[Staffan]

Yes it is. In the first instance, Agatha was a member of their society ("Are you a witch?" "I am a witch.") who had transgressed against its regulations; in the second, Agatha is a self-appointed judge, jury and torturer.

At this point, I see her more as an investigator than a judge. She has found a witch exhibiting terrible power, and she wants to know what's up with that. She has spent an unknown amount of subjective time (we don't really know how fast time appears to move in the hex, but it's definitely longer than the few days it's been outside) trying to understand what's up with Wanda, and when all other methods have failed she holds Wanda's children hostage in order to force Wanda to allow her to access Wanda's memories, and in the process providing Wanda with context for her memories.

I think she's doing what her coven didn't do for her: when faced with a potential threat, she evaluates it. She's certainly doing so in a harsh manner, but that's more than she got from her own coven. Where the coven went "You're using the forbidden stuff, so we're going to kill you", I think Agatha is being more nuanced. I would not be surprised at all if the end result is either Agatha taking Wanda under her own tutelage to teach her how to control her chaos magic, or refer her to Doctor Strange.

 

[Maxperson]

So can you give actual examples of Agnes doing things that were more sadistic?

No he can't.

You're arguing with an account that has been around for 16 years and has only 200ish posts, about 10% of those were in this thread. At this point there's stronger proof of this being an account made purely stir the pot than there is of Agnes being as bad as he makes out. I stopped engaging him. I recommend that you do as well.