trappedslider
Legend
Now I really wanna see Bucky kick Walker's ass or take the shield from and use Stark's "That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it!" line.
Falcon and winter solider
I guess the question is....what are the standing orders regarding the flag smashers? Are they to be taken as prisoners', or are they enemy soldiers where lethal force is authorized?
The attack was brutal but honestly may have been justified under the current rules of engagement. But of course, having your Captain America brutally finish a guy on camera is just bad PR, even if he was "allowed to" based on his current orders.
I'm asking trying to think back on the various OG Captain America scenes, as I have a theory. Do we ever really see OG Cap get truly "angry". I could argue that the serum for him would always turn his anger into "determination", whereas with John it turned it into "rage".
The one guy who I wasn't sure about was Zemo when he got the serum. There is that moment where he has the Serum, and I think a part of him is a little bit tempted. But ultimately he sticks to his principals which I thought was very cool. Say what you want about Zemo, but any person who can turn down power for principal when its straight up handed to them gets a bit of respect.
Yeah. It's fine. It's functional and competent and watchable with good action choreography. But it's not all that interesting.
Levistus's_Leviathan
5e Freelancer
. . . Does that even matter? Seriously, does this question even need asking? Any reasonable person knows that if someone is laying on their back on the ground surrendering, you do not brutally murder them. It doesn't matter if it's public or not, or if they're wanted terrorists, you just don't do it. You arrest them for their crimes and then they're tried in a court of law. This is a textbook case of police brutality, even if Walker isn't a police officer. If you choose "kill this person" over "take them in", that is objectively wrong and unnecessary brutality.
PR shouldn't even be in consideration here. This is unnecessary force from the person who is supposed to be protecting us, which is quite obviously a parallel to the real world police brutality of last year that became public (especially mirroring the case of George Floyd). This is supposed to bring up a dilemma, what do you do when your protectors get corrupt and start abusing their power? Zemo has a real, valid point here. Power tends to corrupt, especially for people who want/seek after that power. If we give people the idea that they are the law (or that they are above it), that causes all sorts of problems, such as them straight up murdering people in cold blood in public.
Because that's what this is, and what police brutality that ends in death is. It's murder. If someone is at your mercy, and you choose to kill them, that's murder. If the guy was fighting back and trying to kill Walker, that's different. It's still bad for PR, because no one wants to see your heroes killing people in public, even if it is in self defense. However, this wasn't self defense. It was rage-fueled, cold-blooded murder with the very symbol that is meant to be a sign of security and democracy. It doesn't matter what the orders were, or what they were supposed to do, because in the moment, Walker decided to take vengeance into his own hands and murder someone right in front of the world.
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Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Yeah, I did like that scene, and it did appear that he was considering keeping the serum but ultimately stuck to his mission - which is cool.
Its going to be interesting to see where he goes from here or has he been written out of the rest of the show via Dora Melaje
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Apologies to Morrus and the Mods, but as a non-American watching that scene one of my thoughts was “okay, so they’ve actually shown American military might being used brutally against foreign nationals, its good they’ve shown that the Stars and Stripes arent the defenders of freedom they pretend to be...”
Rune
Once A Fool
@AcererakTriple6 took the words right out of my mouth (and presented them more articulately than I would have) in response. Killing a surrendered enemy is murder, even in war. The brutality isn’t as much the point.
The scene pretty closely mirrored the climactic scene from Civil War. Notably, Rogers chose not to kill Tony.
Of course, Rogers was probably “determined” and not “angry”. Tony was the angry one.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
The killing was bad, but it was a killing of a super soldier, who could have gotten up and smashed Walker through a brick wall. Of course, it was not just killing a dangerous enemy, it was how he did it and in front of cameras and people who had no idea the other person could do the same to Walker. If the serum made him rage like that once, it will do it again.
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