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hopeless

Explorer
They wasn't using magic the telekinetic couldn't dispel any of Strange's spells which was why he took him back to his ship for a bit of investigative surgery whilst leaving Strange conscious...
 

Stalker0

Legend
He turned into a mustache-twirling villain before the start of the show when he intentionally antagonized a powerful sorceress* who just returned from the Blip and is in triple grief - killing her beloved, watching someone else kill her beloved, and having the cause for which she killed her beloved fail because she had delayed so she blames herself for all of what happened. Oh, and then lying about it to everyone else and framing her for stealing it. (None of this excuses her - it just paints him correctly from the get-go.)

Sorry, he started stupid, villainous (with the frame) and antagonistic. Just because many of his actions are parallel to what someone who was trying to do right would do does make it any less so.
That's fair, I did forget about him talking to Wanda, without having his team stop literally cutting up the body for 5 minutes. So yeah that's pretty evil.
Selvig knows Thor, who is in space, and doesn't own a phone, Nat, who is dead, Tony, who is dead, Steve, who is retired, Clint, who is retired, Nick Fury, who is a skrull, and Banner, who is injured. So, say Darcy overcomes her ego and decided she is out of her depth. She phones Selvig and manages to get through despite the time zone difference. Selvig phones Banner, and manages to get through, despite the time zone difference. Selvig manages to persuade Banner that he is a) needed (even though he isn't), and b) wants to get involved (even though Banner dislikes fighting and knows nothing about magic). Banner hops on a Greyhound bus (because he is too big for a moped now, and couldn't steer anyway with his arm in a sling), and 24 hours later arrives in Westview. Where he finds there is nothing he can science and nothing he can smash.
As others have mentioned, Banner knows Strange. So Banner contacts him, and says "hey man there's this crazy thing going on". Now maybe Dr Strange says "I know I'm watching it", or is in another dimension and can't be reached....but in that case Wong would go, or another wizard guardian.

But now we are falling into the same trap that my original posts were intended to avoid. Trying to rationalize why these key power players don't show up for these big moments is an exercise in insanity. We can go round and round all day about why X person would or would not show up. The real reason is because we don't have the time and money and desire to bring in all the actors on every single marvel project (that would be true insanity).

I used to do this exercise with every move, be like "wait why wasn't X avenger here, did no one make a phone call?" But I've just learned to accept the premise, that when these things happen lots of phone calls are made, XYZ people aren't available for some reason (whatever your mind needs it to be to accept it) and we move on. But the answer is never "oh we didn't try to contact them"....they definitely are trying, off camera, in the background, people are trying.
 

As others have mentioned, Banner knows Strange. So Banner contacts him, and says "hey man there's this crazy thing going on". Now maybe Dr Strange says "I know I'm watching it", or is in another dimension and can't be reached....but in that case Wong would go, or another wizard guardian.
Why would Wong go? The problem resolved itself. You don't send out a fire engine if you don't need to, because it won't be available when a more serious problem arises.
 


hopeless

Explorer
Or Wong mentioned they had someone down there looking into it.
And when Strange returned he goes down to check because he might be a douche, but he's not bad enough to not just check in on her given he knows she lost someone close to her.
And then finds Agnes who panics when Strange reverses what Wanda did to her, which leads to him looking for Wanda knowing Agnes used Wanda to hide her securing the Darkhold something that shouldn't have happened, but he was away and Wong wasn't in charge of who was selected to keep an eye on Wanda.
After all she's the Scarlet Witch so obviously those idiots thought sending a witch to keep an eye on her would be fine.
This is still assuming Wong had no idea they had done this.
 



Stalker0

Legend
Doctor Strange was probably fighting off some extradimensional threat at the time. Him returning and getting the message that he's needed to help with Wanda might literally be the beginning of his next movie...
If the opening was literally a bunch of the avengers calling Strange and being like....hey I heard from so and so whose with this Sword group and they found magic....so and so..... my god that would be amazing:)
 

If the opening was literally a bunch of the avengers calling Strange and being like....hey I heard from so and so whose with this Sword group and they found magic....so and so..... my god that would be amazing:)
Strange already knows. There is no way he would not know. They showed the "detect magical threats" magic item in the first film.
 

hopeless

Explorer
Strange already knows. There is no way he would not know. They showed the "detect magical threats" magic item in the first film.
Agnes took steps to hide the true scale of the problem after all that reality hex of Wanda's was modified by her otherwise where did Agatha's sanctum with its wards came about?
 

Agnes took steps to hide the true scale of the problem after all that reality hex of Wanda's was modified by her otherwise where did Agatha's sanctum with its wards came about?
True, Agatha's involvement was probably hidden from magical detection, but the hex itself would have been obvious.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
True, Agatha's involvement was probably hidden from magical detection, but the hex itself would have been obvious.

Except, of course, that it seems the original enchantment seems to have directed people's attention away from the town, and made them forget it existed. Seemingly, without a specific reason otherwise, folks' attention elides over the entire place.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
I think I figured out what kept this show from being what I wanted (YMMV, of course). It seemed to lack focus. Like, was it about Sam and Isaac and racism? Bucky's past and how he deals with that? Walker's inability to be nearly perfect (or worse)? Who the Powerbroker is? Zemo and his future? The inevitable difficulty of half the population returning after years of being gone? Again, this is just my feelings, I don't expect anyone to agree or not agree. I think they could have handled 2-3 of these as the main thread, but not all of them (and I get two of those weren't main threads, but they were more major than I'd expect/want).
 


Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
Even retired, Clint was a close friend with Wanda, or at least had a connection. His words convinced her in Avengers: Age of Ultron to join them against Ultron, he was sent to break her out of the Avengers compound in Captain America: Civil War (and she actually used her powers against Vision (!), though her feelings for Vision were just forming at the time), and she and Clint bonded at the end of Avengers: Endgame after Tony's funeral.

As you say, this was not a situation that called for science or smashing, but maybe needed a good friend. Of course, I doubt Darcy or Selvig knew of the bond between Clint and Wanda. Bruce might, but he was away for much of the above. Additionally, Clint is still dealing with his own issues at this time, but it would have been an interesting element to bring in.
Ugh.

I'm not so much responding to @Rabulias, but to this entire line of conjecture. I'm sure we can all spin scenarios where an established player in the MCU could have been brought in to help out with the situation in Westview. I'm also sure we can all spin scenarios where, due to reasons, that doesn't happen.

Missing the point.

WandaVision is Wanda's story, not an Avengers story. It's very tight and personal. It doesn't need Strange, Banner, Barton, or any other hero, it would weaken the narrative. tFatWS is also not an Avengers story, it's Sam's story, and to a lesser extent, Bucky's. No other heroes needed.

It's fun sometimes to work in a character you wouldn't expect, like Hulk in a Thor story (Ragnarok). But for the most part, each hero (or small team) deserves their own stories independent of the larger, connected MCU. Of course, the Avengers stories where (almost) everybody comes together are fun too, but they are different kinds of stories.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
I think I figured out what kept this show from being what I wanted (YMMV, of course). It seemed to lack focus. Like, was it about Sam and Isaac and racism? Bucky's past and how he deals with that? Walker's inability to be nearly perfect (or worse)? Who the Powerbroker is? Zemo and his future? The inevitable difficulty of half the population returning after years of being gone? Again, this is just my feelings, I don't expect anyone to agree or not agree. I think they could have handled 2-3 of these as the main thread, but not all of them (and I get two of those weren't main threads, but they were more major than I'd expect/want).
Stories can have multiple foci without, ah, losing focus. (boy, that sounds contradictory!)

The main focus of tFatWS is how both Sam and Bucky move on from the traumas they have faced and step into being heroes. Zemo is brought in as a dark mirror, the Flag-Smashers are relatable villains, and Sharon's evolution into a villain . . . all of which support the main narrative of how Sam and Bucky have navigated their personal traumas and the world's trauma (the blip). All of these characters have undergone trauma and pain, Zemo, Morgenthau, and Carter channel their pain into villainy, and relatable villainy at that. Sam and Bucky overcome their trauma and pain and become heroes, despite the temptations to give in to fear, anger, hate, and the Dark Side.

One purpose of the story is to evolve and position Sam and Bucky. Another is to flesh out the world-building events of the Avengers films. Think of them as "A" and "B" plots . . .
 

I think the focus of this show was just fine. There is the main plot about the flagsmashers and the legacy of Captain America. And minor plots, such as the power broker and Bucky trying to make peace with his past, and Sam and Bucky learning to work together. There is however a connecting narrative about repairing America and what it stands for. Sam and Bucky's friendship is symbolic of that narrative, as they both learn to focus on the things that bring them together, instead of the things that divide them. And that, ultimately, is the message of the show. Or at least, that is my interpretation. With my interpretation, it seems there was a lot of focus.

The only element I feel was underused, was the power broker. They mention her a lot, but ultimately she was largely underused in the plot.
 
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