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MarkB

Legend
FYI, there is a new episode of Assembled on Disney+ today with cast and crew interviews and behind-the-scenes of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Pretty interesting stuff. I'm always amazed at the amount of CGI that's used in these modern shows / movies simply to achieve small cosmetic effects - like removing awkward folds or fastenings on Sam's new suit. The fact that even detailed visual elements can be changed or created with such perfect fidelity is simultaneously wonderful and rather disturbing.
 

hopeless

Explorer
A second season, regardless of the writing its still better than the CW's Batwoman, but not Superman & Lois.
That's understandable, but its got the potential to be much better.
If it can bin the agenda that seems to be effecting everything nowadays.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
A second season, regardless of the writing its still better than the CW's Batwoman, but not Superman & Lois.
That's understandable, but its got the potential to be much better.
If it can bin the agenda that seems to be effecting everything nowadays.
Superhero stories have had this "agenda" you're worried about since the dawn of the genre. Good luck finding a superhero movie or series without it.

These stories are mirrors into our real lives and the problems we face as a society . . . they've never been mindless escapism, not as a genre. Same with most sci-fi, and a lot of fantasy.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
If it can bin the agenda that seems to be effecting everything nowadays.

It is effecting everything, that's because it is affecting everyone. Things that impact real people are what make stories relevant.

I mean, really - Cap was created to punch Nazis. You you want a show about a character that's supposed to be the embodiment of truth and justice, and the best we can be to not reference injustices in the world? Come on!
 

I prefer to watch a tv show that has something to say, rather than one that doesn't.

And this show had a very strong message and tackled some very topical issues. I hope that if there is to be a season 2, they continue to send a message. Call it an agenda if you will. I call it meaning and purpose.

However, I do hope they stay clear from the preaching that they did in the last episode.
 





hopeless

Explorer
Depends on the writer.
Done properly there isn't any preaching just common sense and accepting he's isn't infallible.
I have yet to properly watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but aren't surprised their writing has faltered.
Hopefully it will improve in the second season, I did say hopefully!
 

MarkB

Legend
Depends on the writer.
Done properly there isn't any preaching just common sense and accepting he's isn't infallible.
I have yet to properly watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but aren't surprised their writing has faltered.
Hopefully it will improve in the second season, I did say hopefully!
Wow, so in a show whose theme is prejudice, you've gone ahead and judged it before watching it?
 

Janx

Hero
It is effecting everything, that's because it is affecting everyone. Things that impact real people are what make stories relevant.

I mean, really - Cap was created to punch Nazis. You you want a show about a character that's supposed to be the embodiment of truth and justice, and the best we can be to not reference injustices in the world? Come on!
Not only to punch Nazis but to explain to us WHY it is important to punch Nazis. Without that, it's just violence. With it, he reminds us why we need to stand up.
 


hopeless

Explorer
Judged it?
I've gone by what I've read and watched and still actually hope to watch it properly eventually.
Yes I think the writing needs improving but I didn't come out and compare it to the CW Batwoman now did I?
The only one prejudging anything here is that poster who apparently doesn't care for criticism.
This is a discussion remember?
I'm discussing it.
 

hopeless

Explorer
Here's food for thought what if that illness effecting the settlements is because of Nagel's serum?
The series assumes he got it all worked out despite being blipped and returning, but what if he didn't?
Bradley's serum was derived through circumstances that could easily result in an illness due to it being faulty and given Nagel would have needed guinea pigs to test it on so he could fine tune it how about instead of being successful he caused the pandemic effecting those settlements?
The serum Bucky secured from Stark isn't the only source there's Bucky too what if a version was derived from him and the Stark formula that led to Red Guardian?
Just because they had one success doesn't mean he was the only one just the one to demonstrate powers at the time.
What if Kari got a blood transfusion much like Bradley's grandson got one from his grandfather and that is the true source Sharon is searching for?
Sorry just odd thoughts I got from watching Nando's take on this series.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
That may be so, but I find it a bit cringe. A tvshow can say enough through its narrative, without literally spelling it out to the audience in a speech.

The big speech happened at the end of the last episode, they spent an entire season giving the narrative and earning the privilege of having Sam -in character - say “hey Kids, dont be dicks”
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Yeah giving speeches to me has always been one of Caps superpowers, there is a reason when he speaks people listen, there is a reason that some of the most powerful beings in the universe will follow his leadership.
Exactly.
The big speech happened at the end of the last episode, they spent an entire season giving the narrative and earning the privilege of having Sam -in character - say “hey Kids, dont be dicks”
Also, he isn’t giving some GI Joe special episode speech to the audience. He is showing a Black man that has more than earned the right to speak in that moment, speaking truth to power.

He doesn’t just remind us what is right, he gets right in the face of powerful people who even after nearly dying are refusing to even consider altering course, and accusing them, in the classical sense of the word.

That scene is absolutely the strongest moment in the show. It had to happen.

It’s like complaining that Luke wins by throwing down his (laser)sword.

Captain America doesn’t win by hitting people. The punching is just how he gets to the place where the people who need to hear him can, so he can say what needs to be said.
 

He doesn’t just remind us what is right, he gets right in the face of powerful people who even after nearly dying are refusing to even consider altering course, and accusing them, in the classical sense of the word.

I feel the power of that moment is severely undercut by the fact that he's addressing the leaders of other countries, when he's obviously talking about America.

Lets call it like it is: They chickened out.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I feel the power of that moment is severely undercut by the fact that he's addressing the leaders of other countries, when he's obviously talking about America.

Lets call it like it is: They chickened out.
Um...the main recalcitrant in the scene, who is visibly shaken by the speech, is the US senator who acts as the shows face for government oversight of the military.

Now, we don’t really see what other countries these folks are representing, but it is very clear throughout the show that the US military is not trusted around the world for good reason, and the most powerful voice on the GRC council is the American senator.
 

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