D&D 5E Is 5e's Success Actually Bad for Other Games?

[Thomas Shey]

Did those rules questions actually exclude anyone from important parts of the survey?

I didn't take it myself--I'm probably a really unuseful respondent for a D&D questionnaire--but my understanding was that you sometimes couldn't get to the actual parts of the survey at all if you failed out on those questions.

If they did, then you might be right that it will result in over selecting. Otherwise, it's just a useful data point.

Personally, having taken the survey myself, I think getting information on what more casual players think about the product would be just as useful as from those with a lexicon like knowledge of the rules.

Certainly if you're interested in expanding your reach.

 

[PsyzhranV2]

Why are you wallowing in Twitter negativity here, though? We don’t come here to be on Twitter.

Where you see negativity, I see honesty. I see expression that has not been recuperated and defanged into ineffectuality. I see a refusal to hold one's tongue and a resolve to truly speak one's mind. Is there a negative tone? Yes, but is that negativity pointless or is it in service to a broader goal? Not every issue can be smiled at and waved away.

 

[Fanaelialae]

Where you see negativity, I see honesty. I see expression that has not been recuperated and defanged into ineffectuality. I see a refusal to hold one's tongue and a resolve to truly speak one's mind. Is there a negative tone? Yes, but is that negativity pointless or is it in service to a broader goal? Not every issue can be smiled at and waved away.

In service to the broader goal of criticizing a survey by a game company? There are certainly things in the world deserving of serious criticism. I'm not convinced this survey was one of them.

 

[Campbell]

In service to the broader goal of criticizing a survey by a game company? There are certainly things in the world deserving of serious criticism. I'm not convinced this survey was one of them.

It's somewhat apparent to me that Wizards has a pretty particular vision for 5e and have cultivated feedback to help them achieve that creative vision, but that's not like a negative in my eyes. It's actually what you should do. Have a strong vision and get targeted feedback. I'm not going to praise Paizo for doing it (having a strong vision) and then chastise Wizards for doing the same thing.

 

[Aldarc]

In service to the broader goal of criticizing a survey by a game company? There are certainly things in the world deserving of serious criticism. I'm not convinced this survey was one of them.

The survey? Probably not, but I do think that some fans are feeling frustrated by the corporate side of WotC that feels at odds with the fan-friendly face they put on. I don't think it's really about the survey itself, but deeper issues.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Where you see negativity, I see honesty. I see expression that has not been recuperated and defanged into ineffectuality. I see a refusal to hold one's tongue and a resolve to truly speak one's mind. Is there a negative tone? Yes, but is that negativity pointless or is it in service to a broader goal? Not every issue can be smiled at and waved away.

They’re whining loudly about a voluntary survey by a game company they already didn’t like.

It’s useless negativity that isn’t even really relevant, and comes across as you smugly throwing dung in the faces of people who like something you don’t, to no useful purpose.

 

[Umbran]

Yeah, WotC and 5e D&D disenfranchised people like me.

So, I don't know what this means. D&D is a game, not the ability to vote in elections.

 

[billd91]

They’re whining loudly about a voluntary survey by a game company they already didn’t like.

It’s useless negativity that isn’t even really relevant, and comes across as you smugly throwing dung in the faces of people who like something you don’t, to no useful purpose.

That's Twitter all over.

 

[Manbearcat]

So, I don't know what this means. D&D is a game, not the ability to vote in elections.

Enfranchisement isn’t exclusive to voting rights. It’s about affording rights or privileges (in this case, the privilege of (a) having the sense, and reality, that one’s input consequentially matters and (b) being a part of the userbase, connected by common interest, that is being courted).

 

[doctorbadwolf]

That's Twitter all over.

Yeah I curate my feed enough to avoid most of that and have a positive experience there, but it does take effort. I get enough of having other people’s bubble aggressively thrown in my face by being a progressive in “confederate flag flying from the backs of every 5th pickup” country.