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Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

TheSword

Legend
Writing these long series is just a bad idea for a writer. People grow and change and they become interested in different things.

I think it depends how clear the writers vision for the series is. I think RJ knew where he was going, he just meandered a little between books 8-9 before picking the pace up. The vision was so strong even a different writer could pick up he left off, almost seamlessly.

I suspect it’s much easier to write fast when you feel that way.
 

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I enjoyed the first three episodes. Somehow the costumes look a bit cosplay-like to me, but it is a nice show.

I read the first four books some ten years ago, so maybe I’m misremembering, but isn’t the Dragon Reborn supposed to be a man? I get the sense that Moraine was imply that Nynaeve could also be the Dragon… did I misunderstand this?
 

payn

He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
I enjoyed the first three episodes. Somehow the costumes look a bit cosplay-like to me, but it is a nice show.

I read the first four books some ten years ago, so maybe I’m misremembering, but isn’t the Dragon Reborn supposed to be a man? I get the sense that Moraine was imply that Nynaeve could also be the Dragon… did I misunderstand this?
Didnt read the books. In the series, so far, it seems like Moraine doesnt know which one it could be. Though, she seems to want to give advice to Nynaeve on using magic in any case. The males have been indifferent to outright hostile at times (dont blame them) so it makes sense.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I enjoyed the first three episodes. Somehow the costumes look a bit cosplay-like to me, but it is a nice show.

I read the first four books some ten years ago, so maybe I’m misremembering, but isn’t the Dragon Reborn supposed to be a man? I get the sense that Moraine was imply that Nynaeve could also be the Dragon… did I misunderstand this?
They have introduced an element of mystery here that is absent in the book: most readers would have formed a strong suspicion about the Dragon Reborn by this point in the book, while simultaneously Moraine had not let on that much about her mission.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
I think approaching a series like Wheel of Time in the hopes that it will accurately model the books is just asking to be disappointed. I think the key for maximal enjoyment--if you're a reader of the books--is focusing on whether or not it is in the spirit of the books, if it does a good job depicting the feel of the world, and reducing the elements of the story in a way that keeps as much of what is essential as it possibly can, given the more limited nature of a film series (If you didn't read the books, then you can just enjoy the series for what it is, without expectations).

The LotR films were loved by almost everyone, at least all but perhaps the most staunch Tolkienistas. Why? Because Peter Jackson did a good job honoring the spirit of Tolkien, and the feeling of Middle-earth--especially as expressed over many decades by its most well known artists, John Howe and Alan Lee. We can bemoan the lack of Tom Bombadil or various other things, but the total result was about as good as anyone could possibly expect, given the nature of film (We won't go into the Hobbit films). But even then, the LotR films are probably better seen not as "accurate translations of the book to film," but rather "cinematic homages to the books."

Game of Thrones had an advantage over both LotR and Wheel of Time in that the author was (is) not only alive, but actively part of production and with experience in screen-writing. I know Brandon Sanderson is around, but he's not Robert Jordan, nor does he have George RR Martin's brilliance with dialogue and characters, which is part of the reason GoT was so good.
Right. Plus, I don't want the same story. We already have the books.

This is a retelling, like any myth, and parts of the story are always different depending on who is telling it, and when.

Me? I'm just going to enjoy it (like Foundation) for what it is. Not in comparing it and judging what it isn't.

If possible, I recommend not thinking about how it is different than the books while watching it. That almost ruined the new Dune movie for me, until I remembered it was a different telling of the same story, and it should be different.
 

payn

He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
Right. Plus, I don't want the same story. We already have the books.

This is a retelling, like any myth, and parts of the story are always different depending on who is telling it, and when.

Me? I'm just going to enjoy it (like Foundation) for what it is. Not in comparing it and judging what it isn't.

If possible, I recommend not thinking about how it is different than the books while watching it. That almost ruined the new Dune movie for me, until I remembered it was a different telling of the same story, and it should be different.
I dont mind if folks making minor changes to enhance the adaption process. I dont even mind if they increase or reduce elements to make it a better story. I just want those decisions to be good ones. Saying that an adaption should be different doesn't give the creators an automatic C. You can still critique their changes for better or worse.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I enjoyed the first three episodes. Somehow the costumes look a bit cosplay-like to me, but it is a nice show.

I read the first four books some ten years ago, so maybe I’m misremembering, but isn’t the Dragon Reborn supposed to be a man? I get the sense that Moraine was imply that Nynaeve could also be the Dragon… did I misunderstand this?
In the books he was absolutely prophesized to be male. I don't mind if in the show she doesn't know if the Dragon will be male or female, so long as it ultimately ends up being Rand. If any of the others ends up being the Dragon, I'm done with the show.
 


Zaukrie

New Publisher
I dont mind if folks making minor changes to enhance the adaption process. I dont even mind if they increase or reduce elements to make it a better story. I just want those decisions to be good ones. Saying that an adaption should be different doesn't give the creators an automatic C. You can still critique their changes for better or worse.
I never said otherwise. I said I think everyone will be happier if they don't judge it just on being different.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
In the books he was absolutely prophesized to be male. I don't mind if in the show she doesn't know if the Dragon will be male or female, so long as it ultimately ends up being Rand. If any of the others ends up being the Dragon, I'm done with the show.
I'd find it much more interesting not to be Rand. But we all can tell it will be. I'm watching with 2 who have not read they book, and they knew from the first moment.
 

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