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Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)


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TheSword

Legend
I loved Game of Thrones but let’s be honest the show runners added gratuitous sex, and some pretty extreme language to what was already a pretty sexed up book. It was famous for having a lot of weiners. Genitalia in general to be fair. A lot of its appeal came from sex, grit, and shock violence.

… That ain’t Wheel of Time. I’m glad that approach hasn’t been applied. Wheel of Time can be shocking and it has adult themes but a lot of what it deals with is subtle. The fear of encroaching mental illness, thes psychological impact of slavery or imprisonment, the burden of responsibility, class struggle, the horror of war.

I just don’t see GOT dealing with this stuff. Not that it has to, to be a successful TV show. Just that a direct comparison isn’t very helpful.
 


payn

Legend
IDK, the characters and conflict in WoT so far are not nearly as interesting as GoT. I know WoT has its fans, but GoT was more than just gratuitous nudity. Perhaps comparing them is unfair, but lots of folks are doing it so its getting the treatment.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I don't agree with that. Lanfear was different from Elaida who was different from Liandran, who was different from Moiraine who was different from Siuan. And so on. The braid tugging did get old, but the characters of the women were very different.
Maybe. It was my impression at the time, but I also had a girlfriend who was a radical feminist, underlying passages in Mary Daly books and writing my name next to them. Not sure how I'd feel today.
 


Mercurius

Legend
The comparison between the two is inevitable, and quite understandable. Not only are they both big, epic fantasy stories, but they were compared back in the 90s. The Wheel of Time was a phenomena, at least in the fantasy world. In a way, it essentialized the epic fantasies of the 80s, and turned it up to 11. GoT came out in 1995--the heart of Jordanmania--and offered a very different approach to the traditional, epic fantasy. It also became very popular, although not as popular as Wheel of Time - at least not until the HBO series came out.
 

TheSword

Legend
Whats the braid pulling thing?
Nyneave has a temper, partly the result of being younger than people expect a village wisdom to be, so she feel second guessed and challenged more than others. Partly because she is a fierce protector of the Eamond’s Fielders. Partly because she has to leave behind a lot of the people she should protect to follow Moiraine, Egwene and the boys.

This temper often manifests itself as furiously tugging her extremely long braid. A bit like a stress toy. That anger is a big part of Nyneave’s character. Her mistrust of Aes Sedai has created a block that stops her being able to channel at will, even though she has the potential to be one of the most powerful channellers alive. She has to be angry to use the source, but when she is… particularly when she sees someone injured… she can work Magic that leaves even hardened Aes Sedai in open disbelief.

The point where she breaks this block and starts to accept the world and her circumstances, is a massive turning point for her character. Effectively a coming into power. Nyneave is a boss character and a favourite for many.

I always thought the criticism of the braid tugging was a bit snide.
 


Parmandur

Book-Friend
IDK, the characters and conflict in WoT so far are not nearly as interesting as GoT. I know WoT has its fans, but GoT was more than just gratuitous nudity. Perhaps comparing them is unfair, but lots of folks are doing it so its getting the treatment.
To be honest, I haven't watched the show, only read the first four ASOIF books, but the characters in Jordan have more going on down below, while Martin's have wittier dialogue.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Wow, folks made a big deal of that?
Yeah. On one hand, kind of a petty, on the other hand, it does come up more than you might think is reasonable. But I do think it's literally just a legitimate character trait, and the author uses it to show her having a bad poker face in narratively effective fashion at times.
 

payn

Legend
The comparison between the two is inevitable, and quite understandable. Not only are they both big, epic fantasy stories, but they were compared back in the 90s. The Wheel of Time was a phenomena, at least in the fantasy world. In a way, it essentialized the epic fantasies of the 80s, and turned it up to 11. GoT came out in 1995--the heart of Jordanmania--and offered a very different approach to the traditional, epic fantasy. It also became very popular, although not as popular as Wheel of Time - at least not until the HBO series came out.
I have some litt fan friends and their taste is similar to mine. Most of them turn their nose at fantasy (I cant say I dont either) but one really liked fantasy. He told me, "WoT is a good fantasy read, but GoT is just good period." I was suspect and he gave me his copy years before the HBO series. Sat on my shelf until I finally read it. It was really good. I'd give WoT a spin but way too many books to commit to. Especially, with all the mixed reviews on it. Not to say all of Martin's books in GoT series were great either (they weren't), just fewer to read.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I have some litt fan friends and their taste is similar to mine. Most of them turn their nose at fantasy (I cant say I dont either) but one really liked fantasy. He told me, "WoT is a good fantasy read, but GoT is just good period." I was suspect and he gave me his copy years before the HBO series. Sat on my shelf until I finally read it. It was really good. I'd give WoT a spin but way too many books to commit to. Especially, with all the mixed reviews on it. Not to say all of Martin's books in GoT series were great either (they weren't), just fewer to read.
The Eye of the World has a beginning, middle, and an end: my usual recommendation is to give the first book a try, because by the end you will either love or hate Jordan's prose style, and can either go all in or stop Sat a conve isn't point.
 


payn

Legend

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Sounds like She was more into the Picard maneuver than the braid tug.
Really what it is is that Jordan makes significsnt use of non-verbal communication throughout the books, which is admittedly not thst usual for writers to do most of the time.
 



Zaukrie

New Publisher
The Eye of the World has a beginning, middle, and an end: my usual recommendation is to give the first book a try, because by the end you will either love or hate Jordan's prose style, and can either go all in or stop Sat a conve isn't point.
I liked the first book, but that wasn't enough to keep going. He, like Martin, needed an editor very badly. I stopped in book 4 or 5, as TO ME, it seemed nothing was happening at all. To me it was just the same scenes/story over and over. That said, I remember almost nothing from the books, so who knows, I could be wrong....

My point being, liking his prose wasn't enough for me, and for a lot of people that quit about where I did in the story.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
In terms of comparing Game of Thrones and Wheel of time direct, I think they are far more obviously similar in books 4-6 of Wheel of Time, when stuff gets for REAL real.
 

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