D&D 5E Charm, the evil spells

[Fanaelialae]

This is a false dilemma to make mind control seem like a good option. It's not, and considering it evil doesn't put it on par with murder either.

It's not intended as a false dilemma.

There are schools of thought which postulate that the least harm is the greatest good.

That said, I wasn't suggesting that it isn't evil if it isn't on par with murder. It can certainly still be evil.

However, I don't think it is evil under all schools of thought. And within the scope of D&D morality, which accepts killing bad guys as good, I don't think it's evil at all (assuming it used on bad guys, without intentional cruelty).

 

[Faolyn]

why would it be more evil to get a person drunk/high to take advantage of them then it is to use make up or do my hair to look more attractive... man this thread has become scary.

also, yes walking into a bar and throwing a fireball is evil...

If you make yourself all pretty and try to hit on me, I have a choice as to whether or not I accept. Your makeup doesn't affect my ability to make decisions.

If you use drugs, alcohol, or mind control to hit on me, my ability to make decisions is compromised. This is especially true if it's the type of drugs or mind control that renders me unconscious, unable to resist, or otherwise unable to do anything other than what I'm told.

One thing I think people are forgetting a lot is that charm spells are often used out of combat, while attack spells are usually used in combat, usually meaning life-or-death situations. When you're out of combat, you have the time and ability to engage in other activities that don't involve taking over someone's mind.

 

[Scribe]

why would it be more evil to get a person drunk/high to take advantage of them then it is to use make up or do my hair to look more attractive... man this thread has become scary.

wait...what?

Am I missing a /sarcasm or something here? I must be, right?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

wait...what?

Am I missing a /sarcasm or something here? I must be, right?

I assumed it to be obvious sarcasm.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Is obi wan evil... yes. 100% yes.
the more I learn about the Jedi (in both old lore and new) the more I know they are all at least immoral and most likely outright an evil cult.

I'm going to regret this...but...

How?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

wait...what?

Am I missing a /sarcasm or something here? I must be, right?

Yeah I really hope I read their post wrong...

 

[Azuresun]

This is a false dilemma to make mind control seem like a good option. It's not, and considering it evil doesn't put it on par with murder either.

Dismissing the question out of hand as if it was self-evidently ridiculous doesn't change the fact that it isn't. I find it a strange notion that psychic assault (using Suggestion to make an enemy flee, charming a captive into telling you the info you urgently need) is always, invariably, no exceptions ever ever, much worse than physically murdering or brutalising them. For me, it's very much a case by case thing.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

I'm going to regret this...but...

How?

They did lead an army of 10-year old slaves with mind control chips in their brains.

Edit: Although, I'm not sure if everyone knew about the chips. The child slaves part stands though.

 

[Fanaelialae]

They did lead an army of 10-year old slaves with mind control chips in their brains.

Anything not based on the prequels? Plenty of us refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of those movies. They we terrible.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

Anything not based on the prequels? Plenty of us refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of those movies. They we terrible.

Well, those are the ones where we actually see the Jedi as an institution and not as just two dudes.