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D&D 5E Don't play "stupid" characters. It is ableist.

Yeah, message policing and nit picking verbiage is not terribly productive. Understanding the intent here isn't exactly rocket science. But, hey, let's waste another thirty pages wanking over poor writing rather than addressing the issue at hand. :erm:
Is there an actual issue though? Has anyone actually said that playing low int characters as ableist caricatures is a good idea?
 
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Yeah, message policing and nit picking verbiage is not terribly productive. Understanding the intent here isn't exactly rocket science. But, hey, let's waste another thirty pages wanking over poor writing rather than addressing the issue at hand. :erm:
The only "issue" I can see here is a bossy, counterproductive and (unintentionally) offensive original post.

If you want to discuss the depiction of people with learning difficulties in a mature and civilised fashion I suggest you start another thread with a better title, because, believe it or not, that's what people read, not forty pages of waffle.
 

Mercurius

Legend
Intelligence, in the real world, has a variety of meanings, from the more specific IQ to Howard Gardner's multiple intelligences of which IQ is just a small portion (probably a combination of verbal-linguistic and logical-mathematical, leaving the other nine mostly untouched).

I've also known many people who are quite intelligent in terms of the depth of their thought, but either have a difficult time translating their thinking to words/actions, or slower in their processing. And I've known people who are extremely intelligent in other forms of intelligence--say bodily-kinesthetic or spatial-visual, etc--but not as much in terms of verbal or logical. I mean, how many of us know someone (or are someone) who "sucks at math" but is highly intelligent in other ways?

But let us not forget that D&D's Ability scores are just that: abilities. I used to think they were wrongly named, and should be called "Attributes," but if we instead take the word literally--Abilities--then we can see them as a character's capacity to enact actions through various means or aspects of themselves.

So INT doesn't have to be the depth of a character's thinking, but their ability to process certain types of information, mostly related to logic and conceptual thinking. WIS, in a way, covers some of the other forms of Gardner's intelligences: existential, spatial-visual, intrapersonal, maybe naturalistic. And CHA touches about interpersonal (social-emotional) and perhaps musical intelligences, and of course DEX covers bodily-kinesthetic.

So a low INT character need not be an idiot, they're just bad at logical processing, and especially if they're higher in WIS or CHA, is "intelligent" in different ways.

EDIT: I would also add that a high INT character could be an idiot - perhaps emotionally clueless or lacking imagination or intuition. I think the mistake is in thinking of INT as all aspects of intelligence, rather than a more narrow band of rational-logical thinking and processing.
 
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Remathilis

Legend
Is there an actual issue though? Has anyone actually said that playing low int characters as ableist caricatures is a good idea?
While technically no, there seems to be some debate as to what a low int score should represent. For example, could my 7 int fighter just be bad a math (not gully dwarf bad, but can't do much beyond simple adding and subtracting) but otherwise have no issues with knowledge or deduction? Could he just be illiterate? What does it mean that you have a 3 int and your wolf companion has the same?

It's one thing to not play your PC like a R-word stereotype, but the nitty of what should a low int look like is up for debate?
 


While technically no, there seems to be some debate as to what a low int score should represent. For example, could my 7 int fighter just be bad a math (not gully dwarf bad, but can't do much beyond simple adding and subtracting) but otherwise have no issues with knowledge or deduction? Could he just be illiterate? What does it mean that you have a 3 int and your wolf companion has the same?

It's one thing to not play your PC like a R-word stereotype, but the nitty of what should a low int look like is up for debate?
Yeah, sure we can talk about that but that's not ''the issue."

(Also, don't roll stats, then you don't have characters that are as smart as dogs.)
 





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