D&D (2024) I think we are on the cusp of a sea change.

[Minigiant]

What products have they released recently targetting the old audience, do you think? I don't own Dungeon of the Mad Archmage, but that sounded like a pretty trad D&D concept, at least if it had had any treasure in the dungeon.

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The whole beginning stage was for old audiences. The PHB, DMG, MM, and everything that was released in the first 2 years of 5e was for old audience.

5th edition literally doesn't have a release of a new setting nor class created by WOTC yet and is just barely adding newraces and subclasses.

That's why a lot of the stuff is shifting. Because almost everything in the beginning was not designed for the new audience D&D 5e accidentally got.

The burger joint that adds a chicken sandwich is still a burger joint.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

What products have they released recently targetting the old audience, do you think?

Just to name a few; Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft, and Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden.

 

[Minigiant]

Thanks! Since I already had a 3PP dragon book fulfilling my draconic needs, I ignored it.

Any people wonder why WOTC is targeting a new audience.

 

[S'mon]

Why would WotC want to narrow the player base? That doesn't make any sense, either creatively or economically.

I think Jeremy Crawford for one has a very specific creative vision for the game, which is quite a long way from prior D&D. At least I can't really think of any antecedents. Games Workshop and Mike Mearls have both made statements 'firing' gamers they don't want (Wehrboos and Gearheads, respectively - Mearls seemed to think Gearheads are anti-female-gamer, which I found a bit odd since the biggest rules-crunchers I know are both female 4e fans). Sometimes you just need to cull the impure to realise your vision of a pure gamer pool uncorrupted by wrongthinking degenerate neckbeards & gatekeepers.

 

[S'mon]

Any people wonder why WOTC is targeting a new audience

Any people wonder why WOTC is targeting a new audience.

Well they DID create DM's Guild - they expected me not to buy anything?!

 

[BookTenTiger]

I think Jeremy Crawford for one has a very specific creative vision for the game, which is quite a long way from prior D&D. At least I can't really think of any antecedents. Games Workshop and Mike Mearls have both made statements 'firing' gamers they don't want (Wehrboos and Gearheads, respectively - Mearls seemed to think Gearheads are anti-female-gamer, which I found a bit odd since the biggest rules-crunchers I know are both female 4e fans). Sometimes you just need to cull the impure to realise your vision of a pure gamer pool uncorrupted by wrongthinking degenerate neckbeards & gatekeepers.

Can you provide actual quotes? I am distrustful of "he said / she said" statements.

 

[S'mon]

Can you provide actual quotes? I am distrustful of "he said / she said" statements.

This is the GW statement, which I believe was aimed at the kind of players who paint swastikas on their Space Marines - You Will Not Be Missed

Mike Mearls firing "“fans” who insist on gatekeeping via rules complexity and lore density" -

 

[Malmuria]

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The whole beginning stage was for old audiences. The PHB, DMG, MM, and everything that was released in the first 2 years of 5e was for old audience.

5th edition literally doesn't have a release of a new setting nor class created by WOTC yet and is just barely adding newraces and subclasses.

That's why a lot of the stuff is shifting. Because almost everything in the beginning was not designed for the new audience D&D 5e accidentally got.

The burger joint that adds a chicken sandwich is still a burger joint.

I would count the mtg books as new settings, and Wildemount too. But yeah overall it's wild how everytime wotc creates a different kind of product there are complaints that they are 'abondoning' the old fans, and when they release a product for the old fans (Ravenloft) there are...still complaints that they are abandoning old fans, because the updated setting didn't match perfectly with old setting.

 

[Malmuria]

This is the GW statement, which I believe was aimed at the kind of players who paint swastikas on their Space Marines - You Will Not Be Missed

Mike Mearls firing "“fans” who insist on gatekeeping via rules complexity and lore density" -

The GW statement says they don't want "prejudice, hatred, or abuse." How do you get from that to "Sometimes you just need to cull the impure to realise your vision of a pure gamer pool uncorrupted by wrongthinking degenerate neckbeards & gatekeepers" ??

 

[S'mon]

The GW statement says they don't want "prejudice, hatred, or abuse." How do you get from that to "Sometimes you just need to cull the impure to realise your vision of a pure gamer pool uncorrupted by wrongthinking degenerate neckbeards & gatekeepers" ??

That was a joke!!!