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[Vaalingrade]

It really doesn't. All that is required in the current rules is that the player says that they do wish to do nonlethal damage.

Which frankly is bizarre and I don't like it. Because if that's how it would work, then every time you kill somebody with a melee attack, it is pretty damn immoral, as you could have just as easily not killed them. Of course in reality that's not how it would work. If you have some proper weapon, it is very difficult to knock someone out safely, so using lethal force could still be justified.

I'm a big advocate of the Bad Guy Off Button because it is demoralizing and unfair to turn a player's character into a killer against their will.

 

[Thunder Brother]

Yeah but then what do you do with the captive you have now?!? Tie him up and guard him? Let him go warn his pals? Hope he doesnt go tell the Dragon you are there?!

Seems like quite a risk to take for the sake of someone who has already aligned themselves with EVIL!

I hate this situation when DMing.

The party kills three bugbears during a forest ambush, captures the final one, interrogates it. Okay, what do we do with them? Leave them? Bring them with us? Kill Murder them?

Or, oh we'll knock out these six bandits. And then... ?

At the risk of getting into a moral debate, knocking out an enemy can lead to eviler actions than killing them in combat.

 

[Charlaquin]

3 of my younger cousins love eating ice cream with ketchup and mustard on it. Chocolate ice cream, which makes it even worse.

At first I thought that they were doing it just to gross me out, but nope. They sincerely like it. It made me want to vomit.

To be fair, ketchup is mostly sugar, so even if I don’t like the sound of it, I can see why it would work. Mustard on chocolate ice cream though sounds truly vile.

 

[Scribe]

I hate this situation when DMing.

The party kills three bugbears during a forest ambush, captures the final one, interrogates it. Okay, what do we do with them? Leave them? Bring them with us? Kill Murder them?

Or, oh we'll knock out these six bandits. And then... ?

At the risk of getting into a moral debate, knocking out an enemy can lead to eviler actions than killing them in combat.

And this is all fine and viable paths of issue resolution.

Assuming your table wants to deal with the ramifications, and the DM is on board.

Otherwise? Its a game, they are obstacles, and you are deep in enemy territory, on the enemies turf, or in their lair.

What happens in an MMO if you allow the enemy to run away? Well congrats you just pulled the whole dungeon potentially, and thats a wipe AKA TPK.

 

[billd91]

To be fair, ketchup is mostly sugar, so even if I don’t like the sound of it, I can see why it would work. Mustard on chocolate ice cream though sounds truly vile.

They make batches of mustard ice cream every year for the Middleton (WI) Mustard Museum's annual Mustard Day celebration. I've had it and it's not that bad. I wouldn't want a whole dish or sundae of it, just a little ice cream cup is fine.

 

[CleverNickName]

I hate this situation when DMing.

The party kills three bugbears during a forest ambush, captures the final one, interrogates it. Okay, what do we do with them? Leave them? Bring them with us? Kill Murder them?

I usually let them drag the bugbears back to the constable in town to face justice. Conveniently, those three bugbears were infamous highway robbers, and they have been terrorizing the roads outside of town for months. So much so, that the merchant guild had posted a considerable reward for their capture...bonus XP and gold awarded for creative thinking, move on to the next scene...

Or whatever. It doesn't bother me if the party wants to take a nonlethal route. I'm happy to accommodate.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Yeah but then what do you do with the captive you have now?!? Tie him up and guard him? Let him go warn his pals? Hope he doesnt go tell the Dragon you are there?!

Seems like quite a risk to take for the sake of someone who has already aligned themselves with EVIL!

Whilst I don't care if the characters are flawless paragons of virtue, most people seem to like their characters to be at least remotely non-terrible (as do I). Now swinging swords at people is dangerous business, and it is undegradable that someone might get killed. And if you didn't initiate the conflict, killing someone that way doesn't necessarily make you a bad guy... Except if you could have just subdued them nonlethally just as easily, but chose not to because it would be inconvenient! So I'd prefer if the rules wouldn't force the players to make this choice in the first place.

 

[Charlaquin]

I'm a big advocate of the Bad Guy Off Button because it is demoralizing and unfair to turn a player's character into a killer against their will.

I agree that it would be uncool to make a player’s character a killer against their will. But, I also feel that if you’re willing to engage in violent conflict, you should be willing to accept the possibility that it could result in your or your opponent’s death. That’s why my house rule around nonlethal attacks is something I discuss in session zero, so if players object to it, we can hash it out before it comes up in play.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I'm a big advocate of the Bad Guy Off Button because it is demoralizing and unfair to turn a player's character into a killer against their will.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Whilst I don't care if the characters are flawless paragons of virtue, most people seem to like their characters to be at least remotely non-terrible (as do I). Now swinging swords at people is dangerous business, and it is undegradable that someone might get killed. And if you didn't initiate the conflict, killing someone that way doesn't necessarily make you a bad guy... Except if you could have just subdued them nonlethally just as easily, but chose not to because it would be inconvenient! So I'd prefer if the rules wouldn't force the players to make this choice in the first place.

They need the killing blow to be declared non-lethal. Casters are immune to the moral dilemma, since their firebolts can't do non-lethal damage. Therefore, Casters > Martials.

Sorry, I felt this thread was lacking in contentious topics to discuss!