D&D General The Art and the Artist: Discussing Problematic Issues in D&D

[Filthy Lucre]

Clever. But like many clever attempts to simplify complexity, it strays into being simplistic.

It's easy to hide a lack of articulation in the mists of complexity.

 

[MGibster]

o yeah, the whole point of the concept of "privilege" is not that "you should feel bad for being white/straight/cis/etc.", it's that "hey, recognize that systemic advantages have been unbalanced in your favor, maybe don't get in the way of/maybe pitch in on efforts to tip them back the other and/or create a more level playing field."

This is true. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, in online discussions especially, privilege has often been used as an insult or a club to dismiss or silence those with opposing views. Privilege is a pretty good lens to examine social interactions but it can be a hard concept to sell. The way many people use privilege as an insult makes it more difficult to get people to consider the concept with an open mind.

 

[Umbran]

If only other people had the humility to know when they're completely off of their ass.

Mod Note:
And, if that's the respect you are going to show folks, you'll not be taking part in the discussion.

 

[Gradine]

While I like that kind of infographic, can I just ask what it has to do with D&D ? What are the systemic problems of inequity that need to be addressed in the game and its supplements ?

To repeat myself from upthread, but hiring more people from marginalized backgrounds in creative positions, being more specific about disclaimers/warnings in legacy products with problematic content, refusing to platform/profit from products that cause significant harm.

Clever. But like many clever attempts to simplify complexity, it strays into being simplistic.

Well, naturally. But that's why folks insisting on simple, one-size-fits-all solutions are missing the point, and those that wring their hands over things being up for interpretation are never going to be satisfied.

 

[Bill Zebub]

This is true. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, in online discussions especially, privilege has often been used as an insult or a club to dismiss or silence those with opposing views. Privilege is a pretty good lens to examine social interactions but it can be a hard concept to sell. The way many people use privilege as an insult makes it more difficult to get people to consider the concept with an open mind.

There are a lot of things on which you and I disagree, but I do agree that valid (and sometimes subtle) descriptors often get used indiscriminately as bludgeons, which doesn't really help anything.

 

[payn]

This is true. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, in online discussions especially, privilege has often been used as an insult or a club to dismiss or silence those with opposing views. Privilege is a pretty good lens to examine social interactions but it can be a hard concept to sell. The way many people use privilege as an insult makes it more difficult to get people to consider the concept with an open mind.

Right, folks are already dubious of the concept without being insulted with it.

 

[Gradine]

I would suggest that many of these instances of people "being insulted" by being called privileged were reading insult where none was intended. Defensiveness often gets in the way of truly hearing.

 

[Bill Zebub]

I would suggest that many of these instances of people "being insulted" by being called privileged were reading insult where none was intended. Defensiveness often gets in the way of truly hearing.

That's also true.

Because privilege is thrown around as an insult, it's hard to use the word without some listeners thinking it's being used as one.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Defensiveness often gets in the way of truly hearing.

People also get defensive and resistant when they feel preached to or lectured at. These things are a two-way street. Sometimes people aren't listening, sometimes people are proselytizing and don't realize people have heard them but simply aren't interested in converting.

 

[Gradine]

People also get defensive and resistant when they feel preached to or lectured at. These things are a two-way street. Sometimes people aren't listening, sometimes people are proselytizing and don't realize people have heard them but simply aren't interested in converting.

See, here's the thing: being able to just not be interested in matters of equity and justice is an example of privilege at work.

A lot of marginalized people don't get that choice.