D&D 5E A Compilation of all the Race Changes in Monsters of the Multiverse

Over on Reddit, user KingJackel went through the video leak which came out a few days ago and manually compiled a list of all the changes to races in the book. The changes are quite extensive, with only the fairy and harengon remaining unchanged. The book contains 33 races in total, compiled and updated from previous Dungeons & Dragons books.

D&D 5E - List of All 33 Races in Mordenkainen's Monsters of the Multiverse

Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse contains 33 races compiled from previous Dungeons & Dragons books. Aarackocra Assimar Bugbear Centaur Changeling Deep Gnome Duergar Eladrin Fairy Firbolg Genasi, Air Genasi, Earth Genasi, Fire Gennasi, Water Githyanki Githzerai Goblin Goliath...

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D&D 5E - Full List of Monsters in Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse

Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse contains revamped stat blocks for 260 monsters previously published in previous Dungeons & Dragons 5E books. The list was compiled by YouTuber Bob Worldbuilder based on some blurry screenshots originally shared by Nerd Immersion (see the video...

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[Cadence]

People can't imagine a strong halfling even though they are a fantasy creature, so they just call them 'third graders' and use verisimilitude to make them worse at martial classes.

They certainly are a fantasy creature. They're a fantasy creature straight from the works of J.R.R. Tolkien where they're weaker. (He was fairly popular, had a few movies made, etc...) Something that was reinforced in one way or another for 30 years of the game.

I'm fine with setting up the game so that isn't true anymore, but it feels strange to me not to telegraph to folks going through the rule book that it doesn't go the way it always has either in the fiction or the real world - that now size has nothing at all to do with physical attributes for humanoids. (And just having all the numbers go the same range doesn't feel like you're telegraphing it to me.)

 

[Kobold Stew]

Have a picture showing someone 3' tall beating a muscular 7' at arm wrestling in the book.

I will say that Peacemaker ep. 3 makes some inroads into eroding this concern (spoilers in the link).

 

[Vaalingrade]

They're a fantasy creature straight from the works of J.R.R. Tolkien where they're weaker. (He was fairly popular, had a few movies made, etc...) Something that was reinforced in one way or another for 30 years of the game.

Except for the part where they became legally distinct from halflings and reimagined in pretty much every setting.

Pretty sure Frodo never rode a dinosaur or ate dudes or was immune to fear.

I'm fine with setting up the game so that isn't true anymore, but it feels strange to me not to telegraph to folks going through the rule book that it doesn't go the way it always has either in the fiction or the real world - that now size has nothing at all to do with physical attributes for humanoids. (And just having all the numbers go the same range doesn't feel like you're telegraphing it to me.)

How is it that having the numbers having the same range isn't enough, but having them be different is enough?

One, it's just attribute numbers; and two there are other attributes that convey strength besides the numbers needed to be effective at the base classes. The argument is actually not that a PC halfling might be as strong as a goliath, it's that a halfling is no longer bad at being a fighter.

 

[Cadence]

How is it that having the numbers having the same range isn't enough, but having them be different is enough?

It typically doesn't take much to reinforce a perception that fits with established fiction/reality. When something differs it feels nice to call it out.

A beef hamburger or cow's milk usually aren't called out much if at all. The soy/turkey ones and the goat/soy/coconut ones are.

Many things don't have one of the big 8 allergens usually. If your hamburger buns have peanuts in them, it might be nice to alert folks up front.

The argument is actually not that a PC halfling might be as strong as a goliath, it's that a halfling is no longer bad at being a fighter.

And that's a fine thing to want to change. Although if they're just as effective as the goliath with the full sized claymore and full-sized long bow, I might like a picture or some calling out. (And if they aren't, do the smaller weapons do just as much damage as the big ones? If not, does that mean they aren't as effective?)

 

[billd91]

Again, the problem is that 'verisimilitude' has become the razor used for excising creativity, fun and fantasy from the game.

No it hasn’t. It just has been for the stuff you like. Don’t pretend it’s universal.

 

[Vaalingrade]

No it hasn’t. It just has been for the stuff you like. Don’t pretend it’s universal.

Oh my god, I didn't realize the opinions I post online are opinions without explicitly saying so every single time for no other reason to prevent posts telling me so. Thanks!

 

[Vaalingrade]

It typically doesn't take much to reinforce a perception that fits with established fiction/reality. When something differs it feels nice to call it out.

A beef hamburger or cow's milk usually aren't called out much if at all. The soy/turkey ones and the goat/soy/coconut ones are.

Many things don't have one of the big 8 allergens usually. If your hamburger buns have peanuts in them, it might be nice to alert folks up front.

We're still talking about imaginary numbers for imaginary creatures that aren't actually, right? No one is going to die because halflings are allowed to play any class well.

And if they aren't, do the smaller weapons do just as much damage as the big ones? If not, does that mean they aren't as effective?)

Weapon damage is already meaningless babble. Daggers do d4 despite being the go-so weapon for ending fools.

 

[Cadence]

We're still talking about imaginary numbers for imaginary creatures that aren't actually, right? No one is going to die because halflings are allowed to play any class well.

Yes, and I'm surprised you missed that my point about calling out the unusual and not about lethality.

Wait, what? Now we're involving sqrt(-1) in combat!?!?

Weapon damage is already meaningless babble. Daggers do d4 despite being the go-so weapon for ending fools.

Is there anything you actually like about game? The list of possibilities gets shorter with each post? ;-)

 

[Vaalingrade]

Yes, and I'm surprised you missed that my point about calling out the unusual and not about lethality.

I mean I caught the weird emotional manipulation of comparing it to peanut allergies. I should get some credit there.

Is there anything you actually like about game? The list of possibilities gets shorter with each post? ;-)

Desperately begging people to stop taking things away for 'verisimilitude' does not imply not liking anything.

And I didn't even say I didn't like weapon damage, just that there is no universe where one can pretend it's realistic or versimitude-y. Which actually makes them kind of great. A big dumb sword does more damage because it looks scarier and absolutely no other reason.

 

[Azzy]

I feel like I'm misreading something. The Dwarves couldn't have a constitution below 9, and the other races could. Let Con=3d6. E(Con|Con>=9) surely feels bigger than E(Con).

You're still rolling 3d6, the average is still 10.5.