D&D 5E Kobolds are also from the Feywild now?

[Crimson Longinus]

Nothing. I just feel sad about all those stories being over, replaced piecemeal, and hearing people exult in how happy they are that they're gone.

RPGs are not about the stories in the setting books, they're about the stories you create at the gaming table.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah but it doesn’t do that so it’s really a moot point.

It explicitly does that. It's an origin story for the entire multiverse.

 

[Weiley31]

It explicitly does that. It's an origin story for the entire multiverse.

Not for my take on 5E. It's all 2E/3E/Planescape/4E Dawn War/Eberron all mixed together lore wise.

 

[Micah Sweet]

RPGs are not about the stories in the setting books, they're about the stories you create at the gaming table.

That is not a universal statement, whether you believe it or not. They made all that campaign material over decades of products for a reason, and for the most part I very much appreciated the effort. Its not just novels. There are thousands of pages of material telling the history of the D&D miltiverse there. Them deciding it just doesn't matter any more is a big deal to me. You don't get to tell me what I should be focusing on.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

That is not a universal statement, whether you believe it or not. They made all that campaign material over decades of products for a reason, and for the most part I very much appreciated the effort. Its not just novels. There are thousands of pages of material telling the history of the D&D miltiverse there. Them deciding it just doesn't matter any more is a big deal to me. You don't get to tell me what I should be focusing on.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me. Those thousands of pages still exist, you can still be inspired by them and run games in those worlds.

 

[teitan]

It explicitly does that. It's an origin story for the entire multiverse.

It’s a myth. It’s a possible story, a possible explanation. Did you hang onto things you didn’t like in previous editions like a dog with a bone? It’s a way to connect things and hand wave things but truly changes nothing. At all. Kind of like the generic lore for dwarves in Complete Book of Dwarves or how the Dwarven pantheon is the same but different in Greyhawk and the Realms. It’s just a thing you can use. It’s ok and doesn’t affect your game. It’s not like they said no more levels and you can’t use Halflings anymore or we now use D6s for all attacks. It’s fluff and meaningless as fluff and changes nothing.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It’s a myth. It’s a possible story, a possible explanation. Did you hang onto things you didn’t like in previous editions like a dog with a bone? It’s a way to connect things and hand wave things but truly changes nothing. At all. Kind of like the generic lore for dwarves in Complete Book of Dwarves or how the Dwarven pantheon is the same but different in Greyhawk and the Realms. It’s just a thing you can use. It’s ok and doesn’t affect your game. It’s not like they said no more levels and you can’t use Halflings anymore or we now use D6s for all attacks. It’s fluff and meaningless as fluff and changes nothing.

Fluff informs the mechanics. They changed the fluff on several creatures to make them from the Feywild, and the rules are changing to fit that new idea.

 

[teitan]

That is not a universal statement, whether you believe it or not. They made all that campaign material over decades of products for a reason, and for the most part I very much appreciated the effort. Its not just novels. There are thousands of pages of material telling the history of the D&D miltiverse there. Them deciding it just doesn't matter any more is a big deal to me. You don't get to tell me what I should be focusing on.

So your campaign is 100% beholden to all the novels and contradictory lore and video games going back almost 50 years then? How do you do it without going insane when your players do something that is later nullified by the “official” content? My god… what if one of your players killed Driz’zt and a new novel comes out??? Are you going to Roy Thomas it and do flashbacks about how he got better and it’s all good and their adventure didn’t happen that way???

 

[teitan]

Fluff informs the mechanics. They changed the fluff on several creatures to make them from the Feywild, and the rules are changing to fit that new idea.

No, fluff can be easily changed and ignored. I do it all the time. D&D is one of the easiest games to do that because very little of the mechanics are tied to the fluff. Even goblins being Fey, easy to ignore as written.

do you think all this First World stuff affects Theros or Ravnica? Or even Ravenloft? I don’t see how it possibly could.

 

[teitan]

Here is an interview where Wyatt says “your game is the canon” so… it nullifies your whole argument.