Ukraine invasion

nedjer · May 4, 2022

Umbran said:
I don't argue with the points you are making, but.. it is also simpler than that. Humans don't have to be "broken" by being a witness or victim of the violence of war themselves to do horrible things to other human beings. I mean, in the US in each of the past couple of years, some 20,000 people died in gun homicides. And hundreds of thousands were victims of sexual assault. And none of those were done in war.

We are doing horrible things to each other, even without war. So, when horrible things happen in war, maybe we should not place all that blame on the war itself.

Yeah, kind of hard to miss the systemic manufacture of a culture of denial and potential atrocity in US politics.

Zardnaar · May 4, 2022

nedjer said:
Yeah, kind of hard to miss the systemic manufacture of a culture of denial and potential atrocity in US politics.

I think you can't avoid any war crimes they're gonna happen when the shtf.

Why and when you go to war basically avoiding it except as a last resort.

Alot of American wars not really justified and the ones that are it's also debated if war is the best approach.

Others are somewhere in the middle eg getting involved in someone else's war to tweak the other side.

nedjer · May 4, 2022

Zardnaar said:
I think you can't avoid any war crimes they're gonna happen when the shtf.

Why and when you go to war basically avoiding it except as a last resort.

Alot of American wars not really justified and the ones that are it's also debated if war is the best approach.

Others are somewhere in the middle eg getting involved in someone else's war to tweak the other side.

War definitely isn't the best approach to most anything. However, after a decade of Putin's economic and psychological warfare it's maybe safe to say it's easier to keep count when the tanks and missiles get involved.

Zardnaar · May 4, 2022

nedjer said:
War definitely isn't the best approach to most anything. However, after a decade of Putin's economic and psychological warfare it's maybe safe to say it's easier to keep count when the tanks and missiles get involved.

Well hopefully the Special Putin Disarmament Operation works out.

Plan B I've been saving bottle caps.

Hussar · May 4, 2022

Ryujin said:
There was more to the disbanding of the Canadian Airborne Regiment being disbanded than the Somalia incident. There were extensive hazing rituals and incidents, that were uncovered during the investigations. Leaving people tied to a tree and out in the rain overnight sort of thing. My uncle had been Airborne, but was out and moved into Procurement long before the Somalia incident.

Oh, certainly. I didn't mean to imply that it was only that. I was in when that happened. Actually happened to be dating the daughter of one of the lead prosecutors involved in the investigations of the Airborne. Made for some really, really quiet dinners with the girlfriend's parents.

Yeah, not going to head down this tangent anymore and @Sacrosanct I actually didn't mean to say that you were saying anything. I was springboarding off your points, not arguing with you.