Star Trek Strange New Worlds, what did you think?

[Umbran]

When Kirk encountered them they appeared to be completely unknown to The Federation. Not even a rumour.

Incorrect. I just popped over to Paramount+ and watched a chunk of "The Arena". Early in the episode, when Kirk asks Spock about what creatures they might be facing, Spock notes there is no official information. "Nothing scientific," he says. But he does refer to "space legends" - which I think qualify as rumors, no?

Also, SNW is not the first to change Gorn continuity slightly. Captain Lorca had a Gorn skeleton on board Discovery.

 

[Ryujin]

Incorrect. Early in the episode, when Kirk asks Spock about what creatures they might be facing, Spock notes there is no official information. "Nothing scientific," he says. But he does refer to "space legends" - which I think qualify as rumors, no?

Also, SNW is not the first to change Gorn continuity slightly. Captain Lorca had a Gorn skeleton on board Discovery.

The "space legends" were with respect to The Metrons who inhabited the system from which the Gorn were turning away, at the point that both ships were shut down. As to "Discovery", well I shouldn't have to comment on the show that is directly tied to this one, should I? A Gorn also appeared in "Enterprise" but that was in the Mirror Universe, in a Tholian facility.

 

[Umbran]

The "space legends" were with respect to The Metrons who inhabited the system from which the Gorn were turning away, at the point that both ships were shut down.

Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.

You may choose to interpret that the space legends are solely about the Metrons, but Spock mentions the legends before the Metrons are present. Spock, at least thinks some of them might be about the Gorn. And who are we to nayasy Spock?

As to "Discovery", well I shouldn't have to comment on the show that is directly tied to this one, should I?

Dude, the complaint was that SNW was playing fast and loose with Trek lore. I'm noting that the barn door on this was opened several years ago. The lore was already changed, so this item really isn't "fast and loose" any more - it is now consistent with the adjusted canon - The Arena was the first official contact with the Federation, not the absolute first time any human had ever had any evidence of them.

 

[Ryujin]

Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.

You may choose to interpret that the space legends are solely about the Metrons, but Spock mentions the legends before the Metrons are present. Spock, at least thinks some of them might be about the Gorn. And who are we to nayasy Spock?

I'll have to rewatch the episode for verification of that.

Dude, the complaint was that SNW was playing fast and loose with Trek lore. I'm noting that the barn door on this was opened several years ago. The lore was already changed, so this item really isn't "fast and loose" any more - it is now consistent with the adjusted canon - The Arena was the first official contact with the Federation, not the absolute first time any human had ever had any evidence of them.

"Opening the barn door" on the show from which this one is a spin-off is a pretty low bar

 

[Arilyn]

Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.

Are you part Vulcan? Just asking cause I as I read your reply I realized I had Spock's voice in my head. (Nimoy version)

 

[Umbran]

I'll have to rewatch the episode for verification of that.

I mean, I just said I did, to the point of beign able to quote the time down to within a second. If you don't trust that I can watch TV clearly... well fine then, don't trust me

"Opening the barn door" on the show from which this one is a spin-off is a pretty low bar

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

 

[Ryujin]

I mean, I just said I did, to the point of beign able to quote the time down to within a second. If you don't trust that I can watch TV clearly... well fine then, don't trust me

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

It means that saying that the altered canon in a show, that is supported by the altered canon from which that show is a spin-off, doesn't really do anything more than showing that one show altered canon.

 

[Hex08]

It means that saying that the altered canon in a show, that is supported by the altered canon from which that show is a spin-off, doesn't really do anything more than showing that one show altered canon.

Maybe I'm missing something here but since that one show is part of the whole franchise then that one show altering canon means it's altered for the entire franchise, no? Someone can choose to ignore it as a fan and have their own "personal canon", but the franchise cannon is now changed.

 

[Ryujin]

Maybe I'm missing something here but since that one show is part of the whole franchise then that one show altering canon means it's altered for the entire franchise, no? Someone can choose to ignore it as a fan and have their own "personal canon", but the franchise cannon is now changed.

I was pointing out the change in canon. Then a supporting argument that it wasn't a change in canon was that the show from which this one was spun off had the same canon. I view that as pretty much saying that the canon is preexisting, because essentially the same show stated it previously.

 

[Stalker0]

I mean, there's canon and then there's canon. Anyone remember the Warp 5 speed limit introduced in TNG, does any ST show really follow that now?

I feel like there are going to be a few minor details that the new shows might alter a bit, but as long as it doesn't really change the core plot I am fine with it. Like if they said the Kitomer Accords never took place, THAT would be a huge change in canon. Changing what part of the Federation met the Gorn with a few years difference, yeah not that big a deal to me.