John R Davis
Hero
Really can't read Erdogan. His, and his country, never been fans Russia but he isn't pro West either.
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trappedslider
Legend
If true, it could mean a withdrawal if the plotters are successful
fortune.com
and if they aren't...promotions all around.
Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief says
The Sunday Times recently reported that Putin has blood cancer, citing an unnamed Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin.
and if they aren't...promotions all around.
Imaculata
Hero
If true, it could mean a withdrawal if the plotters are successful
Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief says
The Sunday Times recently reported that Putin has blood cancer, citing an unnamed Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin.
and if they aren't...promotions all around.
Coup plots are usually super secret and happen unexpectedly.
I highly doubt that if a super secret coup was underway, Ukranian intelligence would some how know about it, and Putin would not. It seems more likely anti-Putin groups are spreading rumors of a coup, in order to make it a self fulfilling prophecy. The goal might be to make Putin even more paranoid of the people around him, which in turn might make those around him nervous.... and more likely to consider commiting a coup.
I'm happy to be proven wrong however.
Zardnaar
Legend
I don't think a coup is to likely.
1. Oligarchs have very little actual power or access to the levers of power.
2. The ones that do are essentially reliant on Putin if he goes so do they.
3. The ones with power and access are often unpopular with the rest. So if they get rid of Putin the others get rid of them.
4. Conditions in Russia aren't that bad yet for a popular uprising or a coup in ones name.
It would have to come from FSB or military supported by the population or lots of other members of United Russia.
Putin's also the tip if the iceberg everyone under him is almost as basd at best you get someone a bit more diplomatic.
And they've kinda dug themselves into a corner as well. Any replacement might have to end the war making concessions which is kinda suicidal.
And even if one did you potentially get a revanchist stab in the back type scenario.
Basically things have to get a lot worse. Russia might stop attacking but they can just dig in like the past 8 years.
New equipment might let you dog them out eventually. Assuming Russia loses and takes it on the chin most estimates are August through to end of the year.
That's planting season gone anyway. No exports via the Black Sea anytime soon.
1. Oligarchs have very little actual power or access to the levers of power.
2. The ones that do are essentially reliant on Putin if he goes so do they.
3. The ones with power and access are often unpopular with the rest. So if they get rid of Putin the others get rid of them.
4. Conditions in Russia aren't that bad yet for a popular uprising or a coup in ones name.
It would have to come from FSB or military supported by the population or lots of other members of United Russia.
Putin's also the tip if the iceberg everyone under him is almost as basd at best you get someone a bit more diplomatic.
And they've kinda dug themselves into a corner as well. Any replacement might have to end the war making concessions which is kinda suicidal.
And even if one did you potentially get a revanchist stab in the back type scenario.
Basically things have to get a lot worse. Russia might stop attacking but they can just dig in like the past 8 years.
New equipment might let you dog them out eventually. Assuming Russia loses and takes it on the chin most estimates are August through to end of the year.
That's planting season gone anyway. No exports via the Black Sea anytime soon.
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Sacrosanct
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If there is going to be a coup, I suspect it would come from the military. Not saying it will happen, only IF it does, that's where I see it originating.
Military soldiers aren't keen on getting themselves blown up for nothing. And there is already intercepted talk from Russian soldiers talking about deserting and riots.
Military soldiers aren't keen on getting themselves blown up for nothing. And there is already intercepted talk from Russian soldiers talking about deserting and riots.
FitzTheRuke
Legend
What a mess.
I agree that the rumours of a coup are likely to only be propaganda.
The military rebelling seems more likely. At the very least not doing quite what they're told. Maybe not quite as far as throwing down arms, unfortunately.
I agree that the rumours of a coup are likely to only be propaganda.
The military rebelling seems more likely. At the very least not doing quite what they're told. Maybe not quite as far as throwing down arms, unfortunately.
Well he does now!
Ryujin
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If true, it could mean a withdrawal if the plotters are successful
Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief says
The Sunday Times recently reported that Putin has blood cancer, citing an unnamed Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin.
and if they aren't...promotions all around.
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Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
What about the cancer. Has that been confirmed?
Rabulias
the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
I think it's also likely rumor/wishful thinking/messing with Putin's head. I have also read unconfirmed rumors online that he has Parkinson's. And if any of it were true, I doubt we will get confirmation unless he dies from it (and maybe not even then).
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